Thread: Player Discussion: Ryan Callahan
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03-29-2013, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by smoneil View Post
I see that Sting is in here pimping his trusty "you don't know anything because I know everything" line. Ugh.
Really? That's the line I used? Because I'm pretty sure I gave you a bunch of paragraphs full of logical, reasoned arguments. "Ugh" is when people say things like "the biggest problem this season has been Ryan Callahan, when the mere notion is absurd. That's "ugh."

Nobody is advocating moving Callahan. That said, we are far enough into the season where excuses need to stop and solutions need to be found.
I suggest finding the solution to why our $6.6 million first line center and our $7.5 million winger are playing like ****, no matter who they play with - Callahan or anyone else. Because those guys aren't having an off game here and there; they aren't taking some shifts off. They're flat out sucking, they're doing it nearly every game, and they haven't produced any more than Callahan has.

You want to talk about excuses? Stop calling them elite players and making excuses for them, when they haven't played like elite players.

Case in point--the Callahan of 2011-2012 and (especially) 2010-2011 was going balls to the wall on every shift of every game. We haven't seen that this year. I can only think of two or three games this season where Cally had a WHOLE game of that kind of energy. He'll give it on certain shifts, and he'll always bring it at the end of a game (usually when the game is all but lost), but he really hasn't done it for more than a couple of "full" games. That's why I wondered about the lack of a camp being an issue.
I've watched all but 4 or 5 periods this year, and IMO, that's totally inaccurate. I've seen that a lot more than 2 or 3 games. Maybe not as much as last year, but certainly more than just a couple of times.

Also, are people seriously blaming his linemates? Ryan ****ing Callahan put up 50+ point production playing with Artie, Dubi, Boyle etc in the past. Suddenly, he can't be more productive playing with Brad Richards and Marian Gaborik?
Who has been productive this year playing with Richards and Gaborik? I must have missed all those other guys putting up big numbers when playing with them.

He's getting ELITE first line minutes, both ES and on the PP. He's playing with elite talent. He's the captain and is responsible for creating a hard-working attitude on this team (something he did beautifully last year and even before he had the C). He has 15 points and the team (himself included at times) has been no-showing for significant portions of games.
He's getting ELITE minutes because the players on the team who are paid to be ELITE have been dreadful. There's a pretty monumental difference between playing like an elite player and being paid like one, and aside from occasional shifts with Nash, Callahan hasn't played with any elite players this season. Convenient, by the way, to leave out that Callahan also leads the team's forwards in time on ice during penalty kills, and by a significant margin. What a scrub he is for not scoring more shorthanded goals, I guess.

So player A, the blue-collar player who kills penalties more than anyone else, hits, blocks shots, and plays the hardest defense out of any forward on the team is a bigger problem than player B, the player making $3 million more with one objective (scoring), doesn't do any of those other things, and has virtually the same production as player A.

Because according to you, Callahan is the biggest problem with the team right now, not Gaborik.

I love the kid just as much as anyone else on here (aside from Sting, who is either Callahan himself or his momma), but there's a problem with him this season.
If you loved the kid as much as anyone, you wouldn't have spent years trying to convince people that he's inferior to Brandon Dubinsky.

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