Fedorov vs. Selanne
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03-30-2013, 11:25 PM
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How bout when you tried to convince us Fedorovs 2000 season should be viewed a lot better than it actually was. You've tried giving Fedorov more points in imaginary situations. You told me not to rank Fedorov on his skillset and what he should have done. Rank Fedorov on what actually happened not what you think would have happened.
I said rank Fedorov on his performance. That means "he scored at X level, and had X defensive capability, etc.", and it doesn't mean "He had the skillset to score 100 points, so count him at that."
Do you understand the difference?
Zhamnov outscored Fedorov by a lot in 95. He was on Fedorovs level in terms of points in 98, 99,2000, and 2002. Guess Zhamnov is closer to Fedorov offensively than you remember.
Zhamnov was also better in the NHL than anyone Fedorov played on a line with in his entire career.
Not mention Selanne was hurt a majority of the time in San Jose and especially Colarado.
I addressed that under "performance vs. skillset" didn't I? A player who scores 48 points in 80 games every season for three seasons, then the next season scores 35 points in 70 games, are they a 48-point player or a 35-point player? Pretty large gap. If you account for the difference in GP, it's a drop from 48 to 40 (at 80 GP). That's not assuming the player improves or reduces pace; it's simply a mathematical expression of their PPG. Which, given a reasonable sample size (~60% of intended total, or 50GP for an NHL season), can be extended in such manners.
Fedorov played with a massive amount of talant in 2002 and only scored 68 points. When Selanne returned to the Ducks he didnt have the massive talent you think. He had Niedermayer in 2006. Andy McDonald was his center. Not exactly a superstar.
No, Selanne had many better linemates than McDonald. But Fedorov had none who were better than McDonald (at least at that point in their careers).
Even when they got Pronger it's not like Selanne only played with Niedermayer and Pronger. The latter two hardly played on the same pair. Corey Perry and Getzlaf weren't the plauers they are today at that point. They were 20-21 yr olds.
Because having one of the top-three defensemen in the league on each of your first two pairings isn't helpful at all.
Selanne produced better offensive seasons than Fedorov did. You can argue he played with better players but at least he showed he could produce that much offense.
Fedorov scored 120 points playing with Slava Kozlov and Dino Ciccarelli. He had four consecutive seasons where he was on pace for and/or scored 100 points, AND was top-four in Selke voting.
You keep relying on the fictitious motion that if Fedorov played with more talent he would score more. But outside of a three year stretch he didnt. Even in Fedorovs second best season, 1996, he still couldn't outscore Selanne.
How does Fedorov beat Selanne on offense in 96? Selanne had more points and more goals. Their PPG are the same as well. Again this was Selanne's fifth best season compare to Fedorovs 2nd best.
Selanne: 79GP, 40-68-108
Fedorov: 78GP, 39-68-107
Fedorov's GPG/APG/PPG: 0.50-0.87-1.37
So if we assume that Fedorov plays the one missing game, and scores at the same rate, he gets a goal AND an assist and ends up with a line of:
Fedorov: 79GP, 40-69-109
Which beats Selanne's. Using simple PPG will get Fedorov to 108. Reversing it and taking Selanne to Fedorov's GP gets either 39-67-106 or 107 depending on GPG+APG or just PPG.
Regardless, Fedorov clearly was the more frequent scorer no matter how you put it.
Again it's not like Brown was the only player Fedorov played with. And why wasn't Fedorov getting the offensive line mates if he was so good offensively? Certainly Fedorov was better than an aging Yzerman.
Go to Chicago and ask Scotty Bowman.
Selanne has more elite seasons than Fedorov.
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