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30 games? WHLers don't play 80 games in a season, dude. You also don't expect him to be playing every game as a rookie in the WHL, do you? Because THAT is unrealistic. He first was getting good ice time in his 3rd season.

And, again. The 2009 season was the first time he had MAJOR injury problems. And it was one single, bad injury as well.
70 games so yes, missed 20, then 20, then 10 over 3 seasons.

And again, his brother and Uncle retired early due to injury.





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And are you talking about the same year? Goligoski was not a 2005 draft pick. I think you are confusing Byers with Sauer (who I was talking about with that quote). The 2004 draft was miserable and I hated most of the picks. The Don Maloney years were ****ing horrible.
Goligoski was taken in the late 2nd in the 2004 draft, the draft we had 4 picks, its you who is forgetting



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As do I. But I tend to do it in a bit nicer manner (again, this is ME saying this -- of ALL the people here! LOL).
You? Nice manner? Come on man, you get that way yourself many times around here.



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Who is refusing to acknowledge the risks? If anything, you're refusing to acknowledge the benefits of being risk averse with draft picks and moving them for solidified talents.
5 years ago this would have been a no brainer, but he comes with baggage in a season where he has been injured and struggled. SOLID is not the word for this trade or player, give it a chance to play out, but what is the case with players like this, do they get better or do they continue to decline?



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Coming off as a know-it-all is fine. I don't believe it's a bad thing. But you need to be a bit less ridiculous when you're cherry-picking things to criticize others with. That's my point. If you want to say that I've been wrong, then start listing all the times I've been right. I can go and revisit old threads (Stepan, Nigel Williams, AJ Thelen, and countless others) to toot my horn all I want. So if you're going to pick out when I'm wrong, balance it out with the many more times that I've been right. I take a lot of offense with what you've been doing here, since you have been trying to discredit my opinion in this thread with one wrong NFL prediction and a not-yet-wrong NHL prediction while ignoring every single other thing. I think you can see why that would annoy someone. Particularly someone who respects you and has been pretty damn nice to you for years, now.
You keep saying cherry pick, thats not correct. If you want to discuss every Ranger move since we've been on rivals or HF I'll gladly do that, we'd both have hits and misses, but thats not the point of all this. I point out specific moves this team made that had way too much risk for the shape the team has been in. When it comes to you, you are so sure of certain things I have to dial you back a bit and show you that you've been wrong, don't talk in absolutes, thats for the kiddies on here who don't know any better yet. We were them once, but now, I expect a lot more from the guys who have proven their worth around here, you are one of those.

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I don't disagree. I'm not name calling anyone here. Calling you smug is not name calling. It's addressing something in your character that I think has needed addressing for a long time, now. If you erase that (and honestly -- I don't remember you acting this way years ago), we can get back to just disagreeing with each other on some things and agreeing with each other on others. It usually ends up being Edge and myself vs you, anyway

You've been one of my favorite posters for years. So consider this a recommendation. I miss the old non-jerk Bluenote, basically.

Hug it out, *****.
Years ago? I thought I was just as 'passionate' about the MCI pick

Seriously, I'm fed up with this team, I'm finding myself less interested in games, and less interested in the prospects knowing the coach needs specific kinds of players to pamper his delicate system.

But I'm not too smug for the hug bro, we need to corral the Rivals gang together for a game sometime. Where's Fletch and Laches, all grown up and too old to play in the schoolyard with us ?

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Oh, and FWIW, i will agree with Bluenote here on something. As much as this team has been trying to find another Lucic or Clowe (while I certainly do not believe it is as easily done as Bluenote has hinted at), I do think that they need to continue it. I'd like to see some more physical, nasty guys picked earlier on. Miller is a good start and I think Clowe can teach him a lot. Miller was downright mean and nasty as a U18 player. So much that people thought it would get the best of him.
I like Miller, I hope he isn't the kind of guy who peaks at 18. He's always looked older than his competition, up until this season, where you could say he was rushed in.

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We should have a bragging rights thread. As much as I'm enjoying this (and I want a piece of the action myself), this should be in another thread.

Back to Clowe...I think anyone who thinks he is going to sign for anything below 4 years is nuts.

Like I said late last night, this trade is very similar to the Antropov deal, and I bet Clowe is going to want (and get from someone, probably Sather), the same kind of contract Antropov got from Atlanta. 4 or 5 years, $4/4.5 mill per. That's a hefty investment for us to make.
I can't the NYR letting him walk after all this talk of grit and toughness. They'll take the hit and pray.

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Nah, this was a long time coming. Can't really make a thread for something that comes up simultaneously, too.
Agreed. Plus, seniority around here should have it privileges, we've both been supporting this site since the beginning. Does that make me smug?

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