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04-05-2013, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by eva unit zero View Post
I said that 2002 Yzerman and Zhamnov weren't better than 94-96 Zhamnov. Not 2002 Zhamnov. And that's the only time Fedorov played on a line with either of them regularly. So we can mark down Forsberg and Sakic as linemates during their primes, I suppose, based on your argument.
A 2002 Yzerman is every bit as good as Zhamnov was in 94-96. Especially defensively. Shanahan was also better as well.

Alright, fine. Use Yzerman's neck injury. That one was actually had more long-term effect. Yzerman's 1993-94 season looked like this (84-game projection in parenthesis):

Season total: 58GP, 24-58-82 (35-84-119)
Before injury: 8GP, 2-8-10 (21-84-105)
After injury: 50GP, 22-50-72 (37-84-121)

Yzerman suffered more significant injuries than Selanne, and a significant number of them came before the DPE. Yet he never dropped anywhere near Selanne's 2003-04 offensively. And neither did Fedorov, even after Fedorov played through several injury plagued years at the end of his career with Columbus and Washington.

Selanne's 2003-04 does not just go away just because he had been injured at some point prior.
I SAID IM NOT COMPARING YZERMAN TO SELANNE, SO PLEASE STOP. Injuries effect players in different ways. Congratulations to Yzerman for coming back form his injuries the way he did. But this isn't about him. Selanne dealt with a significant leg injury that had a negative affect on his production. Outside of 2001-2004 He's been a lot better offensively.

2004 doesn't go away and no one is claiming that. Selanne had a bad season. But the main reason for that was because he was injured. His production didnt just drop in San Jose because he didnt have Kariya like You and Ohashi claim. In Col. It's pretty well documented how hurt Selanne was.

Fedorov had one fewer goal and equal assists in one fewer game. His PPG was 1.37, so one average he scored about 4 points every three games. That means he is likely to get at least one point in the "missing game" were he to play in it. Which at minimum negates Selanne's advantage in total. Fedorov's PPG would go down if he went 1-for-1, and he would then be tied with Selanne.

So Fedorov's offensive production would have to be slower than normal over the course of exactly one game for him to match Selanne, yet Selanne has the more impressive offensive season? No dice.
So Becasue Fedorov had a decimal better PPG in he had the clearly better offensive season? No dice.
Also...Tkachuk had 98 points that season. Kariya had 108. Zhamnov was PPG while with Winnipeg. The difference between those guys and what Fedorov played with is monumental. Certainly enough to offset any advantage for Selanne's 40-68-108 in 79 over Fedorov's 39-68-107 in 78.
Is that all you have to argue is line mates? Selanne was a first line winger of course he'll play with good players. He also faced other teams top defensive pairs and shut down forwards. If Fedorov was the top center on his team maybe he'd get to play with better players. But he wasn't so he didnt face top defensive pairs.

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