Ilya Kovalchuk vs Patrick Kane
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04-06-2013, 11:51 PM
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I'm not piecing together any select years for Kovalchuk.. never even mentioned piecing together games for Kane. Piecing together would mean taking one, skipping a few and taking another. That's what you guys are trying to tell me with Kane, disregarding the season in between..
And the Kunitz example is relevant here. Context matters. If it doesn't, Kunitz is a top player in this league. Consider context and you're going to find it hard to explain Kovalchuk's season two years ago.. please try to do that if you would like.
Why does Kovalchuk have to be the one to consistently outproduce Kane? Why not vice versa? Why does Kane get the benefit of the doubt that HE is the better player...? Why can't this season be the aberration for Kane vs. Kovy instead of last year? THAT is piecing things together and choosing games/seasons to talk about..
And yes, primes are irrelevant. Players have different peaks. A player outside of his prime can still be better than a player in his prime... pretty obvious... Kovy outside of his prime years can still put up more points than Kane, ya know. Until we actually see what each peak will be, can't really say which will be better than which..
I don't need to explain Kovalchuk's season two years ago. He produced well under his career average. Kane did the same thing last year. It happened and there's no need to refute it or contextualize it because they both proved (at least in my eyes) that those years were not the norm for them. Kunitz, no matter how many times you bring him up, is still completely irrelevant because he hasn't proven this season isn't a Crosby-induced aberration for him.
What you're continually saying is that Kane's redeeming himself this season doesn't count, something for which there is absolutely no evidence. Something I wonder if you would even be claiming if there weren't a poll comparing Kane to Kovalchuk.
Kovalchuk has to be the one to outproduce Kane because Kane is already outproducing Kovalchuk. This is not that hard to understand. You can call any season an aberration until it's proven otherwise, but that's just it, it has to
otherwise. The burden of proof is now on Kovalchuk.
What you're arguing now is how much Kovalchuk will fall vs. how much Kane will rise, assuming both are currently leaving and entering the primes respectively. Not only is this totally different from saying "primes are irrelevant", but it's also complete crap. Kovy might not even be in his prime yet, he might hit it at 32. Kane might hit his at 36. It's not worth it to discuss those as serious possibilities though because there's zero evidence for either claim. There
evidence that primes come between the ages of 24 and 28, so it only makes sense to consider the claim with
evidence over the claim with none.
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