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04-06-2013, 11:08 PM
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Mr Kanadensisk
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Here are some gems from a rather heated debate we had around this time last year. Kind of nice to see that time has proved me right.

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Originally Posted by JetsAlternate View Post
With the return of Radulov to the NHL, who do you believe is his successor as the best player outside of the National Hockey League?
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Originally Posted by Zine View Post
Vehanen or Cervenka.

Cervenka has been incredable these playoffs.
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Originally Posted by Shootmaster_44 View Post
I realize that this thread is largely aimed at Europe, but are there Canadian Hockey League/NCAA/AHL players who'd make this list over the Europeans? I'm not trying to spark a Europe vs. North America battle, I am asking this legitimately.
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Originally Posted by Zine View Post
Not likely. There are ex-NHLers in Europe who could still be in the NHL if the asking price was right. Players in AHL simply aren't good enough to crack an NHL lineup.
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Originally Posted by Mr Kanadensisk View Post
For example could you make the argument why Cervenka is better than say Cory Conacher?
This was not answered at the time but to date Huberdeau (a CHL player at the time these comments were made) is leading rookies with 26pts. Conacher (an AHL player last year) is 2nd with 24 pts. Brunner has 22pts, Silfverberg has 16pts, and Granlund has spent a lot of the season in the AHL. If Cervenka qualified as a rookie his 12pts so far would have him in 17th in rookie scoring. Obviously he is not a rookie, nor was he even close to being the best player outside of the NHL last year.

The truth is that the AHL still draws from a much bigger pool of players than any other league beside the NHL. I do feel that Radulov is better than anyone in the AHL right now, but the average talent level in the AHL is higher than any league in Europe.

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Originally Posted by Zine View Post
Imo, Dallman's a player that benefits from his circumstance (tones of ice/PP time and sometimes he's allowed to be a 4th forward).

Taken out of his element in Barys, I don't think he's well rounded enough to be more than a #2/3 dman and pp specialist on an Ak Bars or somebody.

Someone like Kirill Koltsov could put up similar numbers if put in the same circumstance.

I'd say he's the KHL equivalent of Mike Green.....someone who sees the ice well, can run a PP and rack-up points; but also really questionable in his own zone and takes a nose dive in the playoffs.
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Originally Posted by Mr Kanadensisk View Post
14 (playoff) games is not enough to make any kind of sound evaluation plus for better or worse things are going to change next year.
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Originally Posted by Zine View Post
Sure it is, especially when the sample size spans 4 years.

Dallman's put up insane offensive stats.....but he's also very 1 dimensional and always nose dives in the playoffs. That's hardly a recipe for best player; much less 'quite a bit better' than everybody else.
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Originally Posted by Mr Kanadensisk View Post
So if I've got this right the only reason he gets so many regular season points is because he plays on a crappy team, yet you are critizing his playoff performance? First of all he only has 14 playoff games in the KHL so you are looking at an extremely small sample size. Secondly the better your teammates are and the weaker your competition is helps you get points, which is the case when you play for a good team, especially in the playoffs where for example Barys has always played a much higher seeded team.

A lot of players on the Red Wings had the poor playoff performer label for years. Then they started winning cups and all was forgotten. 14 games is not enough to make any kind of sound evaluation plus for better or worse things are going to change next year.
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Originally Posted by Zine View Post
Most player's point totals decline in playoffs...big deal. We're discussing playoff performance (you'd know nothing about b/c you don't watch KHL)

Regardless of strength of team, teammates or circumstance, the best players DO NOT individually disappoint in the playoffs year in and year out.

And lots of players from mid-level KHL teams thrive come playoff time. The guys on Riga usually step it up. Last year upper mid level Atlant made it to the finals.
So for those who don't know Dallman joined a better team this year, still had a fantastic regular season and as of right now as a defenceman is 5th in overall scoring in the KHL playoffs. Not bad for a guy who couldn't be more than a #2 or 3 dman and who can't perform in the playoffs. I guess the KHL experts showed me.


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