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04-07-2013, 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by eva unit zero View Post
First team, actually.

But you're taking 2000 and using it as an argument for 2002 skill level.

That's like me saying "Yzerman at the beginning of the 90s was the best offensive player ever not named Gretzky or Lemieux" and referencing his 88-89 season.

It's disingenuous.
You're doing the same thing with Zhamnov.



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A prime, 90s Steve Rucchin was better defensively than anyone Fedorov played with except for arguably a few weeks of a hobbled 2002 Steve Yzerman. There's also Saku Koivu, who is quite good defensively. Andy McDonald has always been pretty effective in his own end. Thomas Steen, Darrin Shannon, and Keith Tkachuk in Winnipeg. And there's of course Joe Sakic with the Avs.
Andy McDonald is nothing special defensively. Koivu is not the Koivu of old anymore. Ive seen you argue that Sakic was overrated defensivley before so dont go there. Tkachuk? Really? How bout Konstantinov, Larionov, Fetisov, Lidstrom, Chelios? You can bring up Pronger and Niedermayer but Selanne only played with Pronger for about 2 and half years.



You're really escaping the point here. Selanne was clearly better offensively. I don't know how you can refute that. He was a better player and has been for a longer time.

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