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04-16-2013, 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by GopherState View Post
The issues with placing an AHL team in Minnesota are competition and location. It's great that hockey of all levels is very popular in the state. The Wild are supported well and even the high school tournament sells out the X. However, that doesn't guarantee the AHL would be just as supported as those two.

I don't want to say history would repeat itself although the AHL wasn't successful during the short stretch where the Moose played in the St. Paul Civic Center following the North Stars' move to Dallas. Any AHL team in the Twin Cities (a hockey crazed market of 3 million) has to compete with the Wild, HS hockey and the University of Minnesota, which sells out a 10,000 seat arena at NHL prices. That's a lot of competition for dollars and doesn't even include 3 other pro teams and a major university.

They aren't alone. 60% of the state's population lives in the Twin Cities but the majority of the other large cities in Minnesota also have college hockey teams. Other leagues have been shut out of the state (most notably the USHL). With the amount of tradition involved with those teams, it's a tough sell for fans to bring in a minor league team.

(The lack of AHL buildings in the Upper Midwest makes it difficult to bid on NCAA Hockey regionals compared to the East, but that's a different story.)

So that leaves a metro area in a border state like Des Moines, Fargo or Sioux Falls as the "closest" AHL city. I know Fargo was mentioned as a spot. It may be just across the border and is a good hockey area (there are plenty of North Dakota fans) but it isn't Minnesota. There's a difference.

It's hard to say that a 3.5-5 hour drive is close - it is closer than Houston - but it's a long drive for fans who have other hockey options in addition to proximity to other AHL teams and major airports. Minnesota is a hockey state, not a state where Wild run king. As much as I'm sure the NHL team would like to increase their profile, minor league hockey is a tough sell in an area where HS and college hockey are king.
First, Moose were IHL, not AHL. Leagues were way different. Second, Moose did OK first year.

And as far as AHL arenas goes, really? Fieldhouses in the midwest are about the same size as some of those things they call arenas out east.

Originally Posted by PCSPounder View Post
Percentage of capacity, more than anything, contributes to season ticket sales. That means getting money sooner, that means being ahead of bills instead of behind, perhaps it means money gaining interest as well.

Here's the thing: is that $25 to $30 a season ticket price?

Your description sounds like it's right in the wheel well of the Portland Winterhawks. I'd guess the average price sold is around $25 (including season seats), averaged almost 7,000 this season, beer's at $9. Problem is, how much of a cut does the NBA hosts get?
Where do you come up with this stuff? Percent of capacity now contributes more than anything to season ticket sales. The Wolves have probably about 3,000 season tcikets sold since they never seem to drop below 3k for a game and there is virtually zero walk up or groups on a Wednesday.

Each arena deal is different and the variations are almost infinite.

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