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04-20-2013, 01:30 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Long Island, NY
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Do other players not get credit for good plays and points when they have tired guys on the ice? I must have missed the part where the NHL puts a * next to those points.
That was not the point and you know it. We were discussing Clowe's flaws. I was bringing perspective into it. If Stepan were to do that, I wouldn't be discussing that play because Stepan has been relatively productive all year. Clowe has not stood out much since coming here. Played well in his first couple games vs Pittsburgh. But he has looked even slower than his usual self. I'm not even discussing that from an offensive standpoint. I'm looking at it in the sense that he is too slow to get in and finish a check; by the time he's there it'd be a late hit and/or the play is gone already. That is just not efficient for the type of player he is and what you expect. Yeah he did a good job on the play against Florida to get that goal. But my point was you can't look at that play to determine his overall play.
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i watched it. im not saying he skated end to end and roofed a back hander past clemenson, just that he help produce a goal on a shift, using his skillset. The third goal was pretty important last night.
please pardon my naiveté. you go ahead explaining more reasons why it was the equivalent of an empty net goal...
Clowe is NOT a 3rd liner, but his play has dropped. I see it. i'm not blind. If he's not producing i don't want him here as much as the next guy. I wouldn't go higher than 3.5 per, and wouldn't want him here longer than 2 yrs
Again, what I was saying was you can't look at that play/shift, point to that and tell me yeah he is playing well and effectively...because he is not. I've seen Clowe play over the years. He's better than that. I think we gave up a lot for the player he IS right NOW. SJ fans will disagree. Three draft picks in rounds 2-3 is a lot. Especially for this organization which has had recent success in those rounds. Clowe is a 3rd liner, if you can't see that I'm sorry. Again, on the wrong side of 30, getting slower, and less effective in his all around game. He should get $3 million per year. He can still fight and play a smash mouth game but you don't pay those players north of $3.5 million.
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