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04-20-2013, 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Hardyvan123 View Post
Then the fact that Dats, for example led his team in scoring in 08 with 97 points and was 1st in in plus minus with 41 (Lidstrom had 40 then Zetts with 30) and in the playoffs Dats was 2nd on the team in scoring and one of 5 players in 22GP to have double digits in plus/minus tells us nothing?
You seem to think that it tells us that:

Datsyuk was directly responsible for 84 ES Goals for
Datsyuk was directly responsible for 43 ES Goals against
Lidstrom was directly responsible for 84 ES Goals for
Lidstrom was directly responsible for 44 ES Goals against
Zetterberg was directly responsible for 72 ES Goals for
Zetterberg was directly responsible for 42 ES Goals against

When truthfully, these players have far less of an impact on every goal for/against than you're trying to tell us. I mean, the Red Wings didn't even score (84+84+72) ES Goals or let in (43+44+42) ES Goals that season, so there is a serious amount of overlap going on. Players get pluses on goals for which they were not a contributor. Players get minuses on goals for which they did their role defensively.

It is an unreliable statistic.

But here's the kicker about Gretzky and Lemieux: They were so extremely talented offensively, they were a greater proximate cause for their pluses than Datsyuk was for his - and since they weren't defenseman or goalies, there's typically going to be someone else on the Kings or Penguins who was a greater proximate cause for their minuses.

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