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04-24-2013, 01:55 PM
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I understand the stats are similar and that is the point they are trying to make. My point is it is foolish to think this year's GAA with this team is comparable to last year's GAA. It is two different teams. They are playing in a 48 game shortened season. The GAA is great and all but one bounce here, one bounce there; one less heroic save by Lundqvist and this team could be in 10th place after finishing 1st last season.
And the same could be said of last season. Without Hank there is no way that team finishes first in the Eastern Conference. Why does this matter? We do have Hank. And he has arguably stolen far fewer games this year than he did last year... This just screams straw man argument to me.


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And the point being made by me is the team has seemingly spent much more time in their own end this year than last year. Yes I am saying seemingly so if someone has those stats somewhere provide them. I can handle criticism.
I'm a stat nerd, so here they come -- This isn't quite the same thing as time in each zone, but it does give a sense of where the games are played (info from here if interested):

2011-2012 (stats at 5on5):

Offensive Zone Faceoffs: 29.4 %
Neutral Zone Faceoffs: 38.5 %
Defensive Zone Faceoffs: 32.1 %


2012-2013 (stats at 5on5):

Offensive Zone Faceoffs: 34.3 %
Neutral Zone Faceoffs: 35.8 %
Defensive Zone Faceoffs: 29.9 %

Seems to indicate that this year they are playing significantly more in the offensive zone, and a decent amount less in the defensive zone...

I don't know where to find defensive/offensive zone time stats - if someone does, please share.


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From what I have witnessed all year the defensive units are nowhere near as cohesive as they were last season. They don't block shots as a unit anymore. Only some do.
Not necessarily true. Here are some stats for you. I excluded anyone in either season who played less than 10 games in the aggregate stats (so in 2011-12 this excludes guys like Deveaux, Newb, Bell, Scott; in 2012-13 it excludes Ferriero, Newb, Mash, Thomas, Segal, Haley).


Team wide shot blocking and hitting (I know you weren't talking hitting - but I added it in out of curiosity):

2011-12:

1424 total games played / 1335 shots blocked / 2359 hits

Average shots blocked per player per game: 0.94.
Average hits per player per game: 1.66

2012-13:

804 total games played / 723 shots blocked / 1317 hits

Average shots blocked per player per game: 0.90
Average hits per played per game: 1.64

I'm not seeing a big difference there in terms of team shot blocking...


But I got curious and wanted to see the comparison between the new roster players and the major losses from last year.


2011-12 (Rupp, Dubi, Prust, Feds, Anisimov, Mitchell):

434 GP / 230 blocks / 704 hits

Average shots blocked per player per game: 0.53
Average hits per player per game: 1.62


2012-13 (Halpern, Asham, Nash, Pyatt, Powe):

176 GP / 81 blocks / 268 hits

Average shots blocked: 0.46
Average hits: 1.52

That shows a bit more of a difference, but still not huge.


And if you add in the recent acquisitions + Kreider/Miller, you get:

Average shots blocked: 0.46
Average hits: 1.64

So, more hits per game, slightly less blocks among those specific groups of players. But as a team, not much difference. Here are the player specific stats if you’re interested:


2011-12:
Player GP Blocks Hits Blocks/Game Hits/Game
Brandon Dubinsky 77 36 207 0.47 2.69
Brandon Prust 82 51 144 0.62 1.76
Ruslan Fedotenko 73 57 86 0.78 1.18
Artem Anisimov 79 46 75 0.58 0.95
John Mitchell 63 27 89 0.43 1.41
Mike Rupp 60 13 103 0.22 1.72


2012-13:
Player GP Blocks Hits Blocks/Game Hits/Game
Jeff Halpern 30 13 36 0.43 1.2
Arron Asham 26 4 37 0.15 1.42
Rick Nash 42 23 45 0.55 1.07
Taylor Pyatt 46 25 83 0.54 1.8
Darroll Powe 32 16 67 0.5 2.09
Chris Kreider 21 6 31 0.29 1.48
J.T. Miller 26 12 47 0.46 1.81
Ryane Clowe 11 4 30 0.36 2.73
Derick Brassard 11 5 25 0.45 2.28
John Moore 11 11 18 1.0 1.64



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Originally Posted by RGY View Post
They are constantly out of position and chasing pucks. There have been countless times where Nash is in the center of the ice and a centerman or defenseman is sliding out to the point man he is supposed to be covering. And he isn't the only one. Too much running around. When you spend too much time in your own end you can't transition to offense efficiently. You can't get momentum going. You saw it last night late in the 3rd period. Florida kept pinning them and dumping deep. The Rangers couldn't get puck possession for about 1-2 minutes with under 5 minutes to go. That is a lot of time lost during desperation mode.
This part of your argument doesn't get reflected in stats. That said, I'd agree with it. The new bodies acquired in the offseason to replace our FA losses/Dubi/Anisimov, overall, have been less defensively sound in terms of positioning and the defense corp has been much more prone to dumb mistakes.

The other piece of the puzzle - which also isn't reflected in stats - is that these replacements also haven't been as aggressive and solid on the forecheck as Dubi/Anisimov/Prust/Feds/Mitchell. That said, I think this was addressed somewhat with the Gabby trade and the Clowe acquisition.


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The defensive 6 in front of Lundqvist are great, but they aren't the problem. The problem lies with in the collapsing strategy that involves the forwards, not the defensemen. Especially the wingers. They allow too much room for the defensemen to keep the puck circulating in their own end. Go back to the WPG game that they lost in WPG. They were allowing Bogosian and Big Buff freelance along the blue line no problem. YOU CAN'T DO THAT WITH THE SHOTS THEY HAVE. We may end up playing Boston in the first round. Are we really going to give Chara that much room. Probably because that's what we have been doing all year. It's stupid. I know it won't change now, there's two games left. The system should've changed 25 games ago.
I don't think the collapse is THE problem and see it as generally fairly effective, and keeps the other team to the outside with perimeter shots. I'll agree that I'm not a fan of how it leaves the points wide open though and would love to see that tweaked; but in the end don't see that as the primary reason the team has struggled.


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