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04-30-2013, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by DylanSensFan View Post
Subban exists, and plays well. He is likely doing so well because of Markov on the PP. It is no coincidence that Subban was no where near this good offensively with Markov injured all last season. Karlsson is the producer of the majority of Ottawa's offense, was last season and it can be seen in the first 13 games of this season, as well as his last 4. Karlsson is a better skater, faster on the transition, a better passer... not as physical, but definitely as good defensively.

Subban in the running for Norris? Because Karlsson was injured.
I could argue with this, but Eyes on the Prize already has done a much better job explaining why Subban is significantly better on the defensive end. Watching Karlsson, you see that he does in fact have very good defensive skills (although he can't win puck battles as easily as Subban), but he uses it more to neutralize the risks he takes to improve his offense instead of to improve his teams defense. Much like Markov did in his prime actually (and still does, unfortunately).

Karlsson is an exceptional even strength point producer, but that is helped by his usage and the way he plays (often at the expense of defense). He was also on the ice overwhelmingly with Spezza last year, while Subban is balanced out between our three lines (though as EOTP points out, Karlsson's production doesn't drop off without Spezza)

If Subban is more dependant on the power play to put up points (where he plays with the great Markov), on even strength he is still a greater net positive when it comes to scoring chances than Karlsson is.

Really though, both Karlsson and Subban are great players but you aren't going to convince people on this board that Karlsson is perfect, sorry.

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