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05-09-2013, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Canadiens1958 View Post
Your Osgood claim revolves around 400 wins, a number which no pre 70 game regular NHL season ever achieved and the number of HHOF goalies from an era as you define era.

Interesting definition of eras. O6 is 25 years from 1942-43 thru 1966-67. The fourteen/ten goalies - Francis is in as a builder, may be further whittled to as low as seven since Broda, Brimsek, Rayner made their debuts before 1942-43.

1967-68 to 1985-86 is only 17 seasons. Cheevers, Parent and Giacomin have to be included leaving four which would be Dryden, Tony Esposito, Billy Smith, Grant Fuhr,

1986-87 to 2011-12 back to 24 seasons. On the other hand thru 2003-04 would yield 17.6 season allowing for the first NHL lockout.

Now lets account for the start of the 70 game NHL regular season, 1949-50 to 1966-67 or eighteen seasons. This would represent six HHOF goalies since Brimsek, Broda, Durnan, Rayner barely played in the 70 game era.

So at 17, 17.6, 18 seasons per era with the increase in regular season games to 82 levels the rink. Six, seven plus a definite four HHOFers.

Now 400 wins is an arbitrary benchmark. Recent regular season wins(1986-87 to 2003-04 era) are artificially inflated by OT and SO wins. Jacques Plante never had the benefit of converting ties to wins like Chris Osgood did. So Osgood's inflated 401 wins deflates to the high 300s.

Chris Osgood, not a sure fire HHOFer, a possibility depending on how other still active goalies perform.
It's not just "400 wins". That's just a "you don't get that number as an average/above average goalie all of your career." point of argument.

And you can whittle it down to six if you like; Osgood is top-six for "his era" guys. There's the argument that Thomas peaked higher. He also didn't play in the NHL until 31 because he wasn't good enough, while Osgood was a top 5-10 goalie through his 20s, a Vezina nominee, All-Star, and Cup champion in the same timeframe that Thomas was playing in Finland, the IHL, and AHL. Kiprusoff couldn't earn a starting job for years, and was called an elite netminder even in years where he was an average starter at best; he had an arguably higher peak but Osgood's advantage in playoff performance makes up for that. As it does against Luongo, and most who would be put against him. It's funny; Osgood is like the Messier of goaltenders, yet the treatment is completely the opposite. Messier gets too much credit and Osgood gets too little.

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