Round 2, Vote 1 (HFNYR Top NYR Centers)
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05-16-2013, 06:42 AM
Cake or Death
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Greg, in terms of what you're talking about with adjustments, that was about the only way I could get anything remotely close to a sort of apples to apples comparison. While nothing is obviously going to achieve that, the best way I could do it was to take adjusted year by year stats from hockey-reference for every player, then divide it by the number of seasons each guy played center, and come up with their average adjusted season. I like hockey references' adjusted stats as they work from a baseline, and adjust for era, schedule length, and roster size in a specific season. Anyways, when I did a guy's whole career and divided it by the number of seasons he played center, these were the figures I got:
Average Adjusted Scoring Season
To me, there are some interesting things there. One, Boucher is just out there - remove his goals, and his adjusted assists alone would rank first. Two, I was surprised how high Messier was, especially since his numbers took a bit of a hit from his second stint in NY. When you tack on Mess's Cup, Hart and the fact that I think he's the only player on the list outside of Bouchard to be named 1st AST, Mess looks a lot closer to Boucher, and at the worst perhaps a clear cut second. Three, I was impressed with Ratelle's numbers, because he did them for A LOT of seasons - Espo, Colville and O'Connor, who have similar numbers to Ratelle, did it for 6, 6, and 4 seasons respectively I believe.
other considerations, obviously, and like Crease I put a lot of weight on playoffs also, where Ratelle's numbers do take a notable hit. But I complied this so I could have one list that kind of got away from era and top ten scoring finishes as criteria.
Explanation of hockey reference's adjustment process for anyone not familiar with it:
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