Bernier trade in offseason?
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05-16-2013, 10:21 AM
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So Voynov gets a 600% increase in his salary after 45 points in 102 NHL Games played and 7 points in 27 playoff games? I seriously doubt that. Look, I'm as big a VV26 fan as anyone but I can't see DL giving him that huge a raise after backing up the truck on Doughty. DD8 was a Norris Trophy finalist and he got a tad over a 200% raise after 126 points in 240 games and 11 points in 12 playoff games. VV26 wasn't the 2nd overall pick in the draft and he hasn't accomplished nearly as much as Doughty had after his ELC was completed.
Maybe he's offered $3M AT BEST (which is still almost a 400% raise). If he gets an offer sheet for more (which isn't a guarantee and will only happen if negotiations drag on I believe), fine, you pretty much have to match unless it's for the numbers YOU'RE talking about but 3YR/$9M is about the most DL should do. That gets VV26 to age 26 as FA and plenty of time for him to earn a huge deal.
I mean Erik Karlsson's career numbers are WAAAAAY better than VV26's, he won the Norris Trophy and he didn't even get a 600% raise.
I think you need to rethink VV26's contract demands.
You should have read all of the threads that lead up to that break down and all of the talk surrounding the reason for the numbers that I came to before commenting on that one little part of it. I agree with the idea that VV will get less than $5m per year (though more than $3m but that is debatable).
You do however only further my point and the reasoning for what I call an exercise in futility. The debate had turned into rather or not the amount of cap space that we had was written in stone.
I argued that it wasn't at all and that there was wiggle room all over the place. I was asked how I would make the room and that lead to me putting numbers down. Some already determined (already contracted players) and some speculative.
So Voynovs raise was placed as it was in an attempt to spend cap space. It was a high end of the scale for speculative pay and put in place to help prove that even with everyone getting paid that there would still be cap space available or that there were too many variables to form a definitive statement on the matter either way at this point.
My position is that if JB was signed to an offersheet of less than $3.134.088 or the league min compensation to receive a 1st and a 3rd pick that DL would match it and retain JB for the mandatory one season that the Kings would match the offer.
I was told that the cap was written in stone and that the money wasn't there. Thus the debate.
I do have a much better understanding of where we are capwise but I will hopefully forget it as soon as possible as I don't concern myself with this part of the game. As to VV's number listed I went through and found what I believe to be comparable players and went with the high end the range.
If it is too high then it supports my position of their being room under our current cap to find more money. The number listed today isn't written in stone. Again, that was the point of what I was up to and not the specifics of what I thought each player would actually make. Its a JB thread so if you want to discuss VV's value for next season and going forward we should start a thread for it or I am happy to respond via pm if you want.
So no, I don't agree entirely with the idea that VV will only get $3m per as you feel he will but I do agree that he isn't likely to get as much as I have listed in the exercise that you commented on.
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