The Carey Price Discussion Thread (Part 4)
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05-22-2013, 08:56 AM
Join Date: Jul 2007
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Comparing to peers is hard when most of his peers are 5 years older than him and much more "experienced" and in their prime goaltending years. Let's take a look at all the goalies that were in the NHL during each season Price has played that is his EXACT age or within 1 year of him and played at least 40 games (like him).
Price: MTL, 20 yo, 41 GP, 2.56 GAA, .920 Save % (pretty good year)
No other goalies, next closest is like Cam Ward and others aged 23.
Price: MTL, 21 yo, 52 GP, 2.83 GAA, .905 Save % (bad year, came back from injury early)
Steve Mason: CBJ, 20 yo, 61 GP, 2.29 GAA, .916 Save % ( very good year [especially given the team in front of him], only one he had in CBJ)
Next closest is Jonathan Quick aged 23.
Price: MTL, 22 yo, 41 GP, 2.77 GAA, .912 Save % (bad year, lost starting job to Halak)
Steve Mason: CBJ, 21 yo, 58 GP, 3.06 GAA, .901 Save % (crappy year)
Rask: BOS, 22 yo, 45 GP, 1.97 GAA, .931 Save % (incredible year and playing on a great Boston team whom a year later will win the Stanley Cup)
Pavelec: ATL, 22 yo, 42 GP, 3.29 GAA, .906 Save % (crappy year)
Next closest is Jonathan Quick aged 24.
Price: MTL, 23 yo, 72 GP, 2.35 GAA, .923 Save % (very good year, also played at least 14 more games than any other goalie below)
Neuvirth: WSH, 22 yo, 48 GP, 2.45 GAA, .913 Save % (pretty good year)
Reimer (i'll include cuz it's close to 40 GP): TOR, 22 yo, 37 GP, 2.60 GAA, .921 Save % (good year)
Mason: CBJ, 22 yo, 54 GP, 3.03 GAA, .901 Save % (crappy year)
Bobrovsky: PHI, 22 yo, 54 GP, 2.59 GAA, .915 Save % (pretty good year)
Pavelec: ATL, 23 yo, 58 GP,2.73 GAA, .914 Save % (good year)
Dubnyk: EDM, 24 yo, 35 GP, 2.71 GAA, .916 Save % (good year)
Next closest is Jonathan Quick aged 25.
Price: MTL, 24 yo, 65 GP, 2.43 GAA, .916 Save % (good year)
Varlamov: COL, 23 yo, 53 GP, 2.59 GAA, .913 Save % (good year)
Reimer: TOR, 23 yo, 34 GP, 3.10 GAA, .900 Save % (had a crappy year, concussion at the beginning of the year)
Neuvirth: WSH, 23 yo, 38 GP, 2.82 GAA, .903 Save % (really bad year)
Mason: CBJ, 23 yo, 46 GP, 3.39 GAA, .894 Save % (terrible year)
Pavelec: WPG, 24 yo, 68 GP, 2.91 GAA, .906 Save % (really bad year)
Devan Dubnyk: EDM, 25 yo, 2.67 GAA, .914 Save % (pretty good year)
Next closest is Jonathan Quick aged 26.
Price: 25 yo, 39 GP, 2.59 GAA, .905 Save % (bad year)
Markstrom: 23 yo, 23 GP, 3.22 GAA, .901 Save % (terrible year, is a young goalie).
Holtby: 23 yo, 36 GP, 2.58 GAA, .920 Save % (pretty good year)
Varlamov: 24 yo, 35 GP, 3.02 GAA, .903 Save % (terrible year)
Reimer: 24 yo, 33 GP, 2.46 GAA, .924 Save % (very good year)
Mason: 24 yo, 20 GP, 2.59 GAA, .916 Save % (good year)
Lindback: 24 yo, 24 GP, 2.90 GAA, .902 Save % (really bad year)
Bobrovsky: 24 yo, 38 GP, 2.00 GAA, .932 Save % (vezina finalist type year)
Rask: 25 yo, 35 GP, 2.00 GAA, .929 Save % (amazing year)
Pavelecc: 25 yo, 44 GP, 2.80 GAA, .905 Save % (really bad year)
Schneider: 26 yo, 30 GP, 2.11 GAA, .927 Save % (amazing year)
Dubnyk: 26 yo, 38 GP, 2.57 GAA, .921 Save % (pretty good year)
Bishop: 26 yo, 22 GP, 2.67 GAA, .920 Save % (pretty good year)
Taking THESE stats into account, Carey Price at one point was the ONLY goalie in his age group in the NHL (in impeccable feature in itself) and through half a season, had a pretty good year. Other years where there were more than 3 goalies in his age group, he was in the top 3 in either 1 stat or both in all years except for last year and was top in BOTH stats two years running (2010-12).
So with that said, is Carey Price an elite goalie, given his age, stats at his age, experience as a young goaltender, ABSO-****ING-LUTELY.
D will be better. One more year in the league for Tinordi, Diaz, Emelin (upon his return) will be good for the defense. However, they need more depth in their top 4 defense i think. Move Markov down to a 4th defenseman (2nd line pairing) with Emelin. Gorges should be a 5th defenseman with Diaz as the 6th defenseman (3rd line pairing). Add a strong defensive defenseman with Subban so that he can perform better offensively 5on5 and we have a solid group (7th Tinordi, 8th Bouillon after Emelin comes back, before he does, Tinordi plays 6th defenseman).
But Price will be better too. Put these two together and I don't see how Montreal can't fight for the division title and possibly win it again (we won it this year cuz 48-game schedule only, had this season gone 82-games, we would have been 4th.)
You don't even need to take age into account though. Coming into this year the guy was tied for 6th over the past two years with some of those goalies either retiring or becoming backups.
When you factor in age just looks that much better.
And with the teams in front of him he looks better still. Like I said, I'll be interested to see how Rinne does. He's been great for a long time now (maybe the best in the league) but he's played behind a great defensive system and TWO Norris calibre blueliners. Once Suter left his stats dropped off significantly. How much of that is on the D? How much is it on him? Price has done it the past two seasons with some pretty crappy teams in front of him. I'd love to see his stats behind an actual good team because there's no doubt that they'd be better than what they are.
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