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05-30-2013, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by dmanfish90 View Post
Show me a link to defensive zone faceoff % and more than gladly use them.
Start here and do your own work.

Originally Posted by dmanfish90 View Post
How are Goals Against per Game, Shots Against per Game, Hits, Blocked Shots, Takeaway, and Faceoff % arbitrary? Okay maybe the last one but the first 5 statistical categories are all defensive categories. Do you disagree with this statement?
I agree that the combination, elements excluded/included, and weighting all serve to make it maybe a baby step away from arbitrary - in terms of what is spit out the other side. See: Chicago last in the league in hits, for example, but allowing the fewest goals in the league. Some factors have strong correlation, some have weak/no correlation, and yet they're all mashed together with equal weight. Arbitrary.

Originally Posted by dmanfish90 View Post
Now you're using injuries as excuses.
Yeah, excuses. The two goalies ended up with similar numbers and you wonder how. People are pointing to the loss of Emelin and the rumoured injury of Price as reasons why things started looking worse toward the end for the Habs. Kings pretty much started the season with Quick just off surgery recovery and without Matt Greene, but everything started falling back into place as the regular season neared the end.

It's not an excuse, it's what happened. Healthy goalie + intact top 4 defense <--> Less than 100% goalie + hole in the top 4. These two trains started at opposite ends of that track of changing fortunes and met somewhere in the middle. There's a lot more to it (and admittedly guys like rookie Jake Muzzin did a great job filling the holes), but historically you'll see the impact of a labouring goalie and a hole in the defensive top 4 born out in many teams' stats league-wide (particularly defensive ones, obviously).

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