Did Trevor Timmins learn from his mistakes?
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06-06-2013, 09:54 AM
Join Date: Oct 2009
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Do you actually believe this?
So what you're saying, depending on the team and how they've structured they're authority on who's the senior drafting person and makes the final decision, that in some/most scenarios it's the GM, but in others it could be a head scout?
I highly highly doubt this. At the end of the day, all these scouts (including Timmins) are highly reputable advisors. Maybe in 2003 since Gainey was less than 2 months in the job he let Timmins make more of the selections, but even he TT was less than a year on the job, so he deferred to the entire scouting staff to make the decision collectively and they decided on AK in round 1, with speculation that TT wanted Getzlaf.
My point in all this is, in 99% of the cases, GM gets final say on the draftee.
You might be right hototogisu about the story. However being that fly on the wall in that office would have been great.
Taking that out of the equation, let's look at the facts and pieces of the trade:
An overpaid, barely 2nd line at the time C. My thought process behind Gainey's thought process is if you get Gomer, you would get Gionta hooked come July. Bad decision IMO because Gionta's a smurf who can score 20+ goals. That's great and all, but size + skill is the key, not no size + skill or size + no skill.
Don't know much, but I remember Tommy being the 12th/13th F and pretty good at killing penalties (although you shouldn't quote me on it)
An undrafted, TOP 6 CHL PLAYER BY AGE 19, was ECHL fodder for the most part, not even close to respectable prospect.
Top 9/Top 6 on our very bad depth/injured team. Cancer in the dressing room apparently.
A slowly progressing NCAA draftee (normal for NCAA). Undervalued by Gainey, righteously valued by Timmins.
Career AHLer who could barely crack NHL lineups only on injury.
Career KHLer who drafted in the 5th round, wasn't projected to make teams I would think, and if he ever was, probably the highest projection was probably 3rd line.
So looking back at this trade, the major parts of this trade are:
Gomez, Pyatt for Higgins, McDonagh. In hindsight, yes this was a terrible deal as Higgins was serviceable in their top 9 before handing him off to Calgary and McDonagh turned out to be a good top 4. Gomez was a #2 C for 1 year, and #3 then #4 C by the end. Pyatt wasn't serviceable at all for Martin, so basically you can write him off.
Ridiculously bad trade in hindsight. I don't think as much at the time, still pretty bad though.
Even straight up the trade was absurd.
Next: You do not even mention the elephant in the room:
Gomez was a salary dump.
He could have been had for far less. I remember reading about this trade the day after and just knowing it was a disaster. We all knew it.
The only comfort I get from this trade is that we got Chuckie because of it.
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