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Originally Posted by DecadesofFutility View Post
We need to upgrade this defense, they have little offensive ability. If we do not trade Couturier for a top defenseman, how are we going to acquire one?
Simple. You draft and develop one. Top tier defenders simply are not traded. If they are, it's because the teams involved trading have received what they believe is another top defender in return (See Erik Johnson/Kevin Shattenkirk trade), said defender no longer wants to be with the organization (Chris Pronger being traded from Edmonton to Anaheim), said club is going to rebuild and they feel they won't be able to re-sign said defenseman (Chris Pronger being traded from St. Louis to Edmonton and then Anaheim to Philadelphia; Rob Blake from Los Angeles to Colorado, Ray Bourque to Colorado, etc...) or said defenseman is going to be a free agent and the club he was with feels that they won't be able to re-sign him and are looking to recoup something for the loss (Kimmo Timonen being traded from Nashville to Philadelphia). Trading Couturier will not land a top defenseman. People need to stop thinking that Couturier + a first is going to land a top 2 defenseman. It's simply not happening. Top 2 defensemen are drafted and developed. Look around the league. You don't see top pairing guys simply being moved.

Originally Posted by DecadesofFutility View Post
He is our most coveted player, and I think on our boards most overrated. He is a defensive center, not Crosby. LOL. They drafted his replacement Laughton, last year.
Over rated? Couturier is disgustlingly under rated because of the job he's been assigned to do. People can say what they want, but a checking line center is quite possible the hardest and most under appreciated job there is. There's no headlines with taking that job, you're facing the best team's line every night, you're always starting a defensive disadvantage and you never get the pretty stat lines that the top two lines get. It's the hardest and most difficult position to master. While it's true you can't teach offense, but you can teach defense, you certainly cannot teach Selke caliber defensive play - and that's what Couturier brings to the table as a 20 year old. No other 20 year old (jeez, you could make a case that Couturier as 20 year old is probably more defensively sound than 70 to 80% of the forwards in the league and that's saying some) does what Couturier does. If Couturier wasn't in Philadelphia, this club would be in a world of trouble.

Originally Posted by DecadesofFutility View Post
Our other options for acquiring top defensive talent are not promising. FA or RFA signing, not likely, failed last year.
Trade Laughton for NHL ready top defenseman, not likely. Probably could get a defensive prospect, not useful this year. Trade Vorachek or Giroux, not likely.
Unless Holmgren goes totally brain dead. We could trade both of the Schenn brothers as a package, doubt they trade just Brayden. This trade weakens team too much for a single defenseman.
Once again, you aren't getting a top tier defenseman for a prospect. Teams just simply don't trade top pairing defensemen. They just don't. Your elite defenders that play 25 to 30 minutes a night in all situations don't get moved. Period.

Originally Posted by DecadesofFutility View Post
The only other option would be to trade our #11 pick for top defenseman. I would entertain this option if the player we get is an established top defenseman.
Once again, nobody is trading a top pairing defenseman for the number 11 pick. You aren't getting a Shattenkirk, Yandle (and some would say that he's not even a top tier defender), or just about anyone else for the number 11 pick. The Flyers are better off drafting a defenseman with that pick and developing them.

Originally Posted by DecadesofFutility View Post
With the skill our team has in selecting centers in the draft, we should be able to draft a good defensive center to replace
Couturier, if needed.
There's more to being a good defensive center than just defensive awareness. Couturier has the ability to single handedly change the course of a game. Watch him. Look at how teams guard him. Look at how he handles himself. It's about positioning. It's about being aware who's on the ice. It's about thinking the game three steps ahead. Couturier just has that presence and awareness when he's on the ice. He's a 20 year old kid who is playing the hardest position in the game. Do you think Giroux could do what Couturier has done? Do you think Schenn could do it? There's a reason why Couturier is in that role as the defensive conscience of the team. The Flyers simply don't have any other forward capable of doing what Couturier does. And before we get into whether Laughton can do it or not, Laughton also doesn't have the offensive skill that Couturier has (and this is coming from someone who is really really high on Scott Laughton and that he was quite possibly the best player in the OHL during the second half of the season and the first two rounds of the OHL playoffs). Scott Laughton simply does not have Couturier's offensive upside and that isn't a knock on Laughton.

People need to relax a bit when it comes to Couturier. He's a 20 year old kid that is getting his feet wet in the hardest role there is. I've said it before and I really think it's going to happen that if the Flyers don't trade Couturier, he's going to be moved to the top line and Giroux will be put back on the wing to accommodate the move.

You simply aren't getting a top pairing or a top tier defender for Couturier and a draft pick.

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