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06-16-2013, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Chancellor Vitale View Post
and +/- too for 40 goal scorer types. And look at things like back-checking skills, board work, takeaways, blocked shots, penalty killing stats, etc.
woahhh, ignoring +/- for superior offensive players? Arbitrary city. Either take it into consideration or don't. Elite offensive players are great defensively because they don't give up goals while they are scoring/possessing the puck. You're basically saying that players that hold the puck aren't as valuable defensively as players who don't possess it.

Anyhow, as for the thing YOU'D look at: Crosby back-checks. I won't accept any argument that he doesn't. He's GREAT along the boards. He's not elite at takeaways, but I find it interesting that you'd look at +/- for certain players, but entertain takeaways, which, along with hits, is the most subjective, weirdly-kept stat in the NHL. The takeaway/giveaway/hits stats are largely irrelevant because they are kept inconsistently from Arena to Arena.

Crosby could be a good+ PKer. Dan Bylsma will never allow him to be more than a FO specialist. Is that Crosby's fault? I'm not sure. I think Evgeni Malkin could be an elite defender if put in defensive situations.

Blocked shots for a forward isn't really a stat I look at. The only time a forward is really collecting blocked shots is on the PK, and as I said, that's a bit subjective. Also, while this is a regular season award, we've seen that Crosby is more than willing to block shots, even with a broken jaw.

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