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06-21-2013, 01:19 PM
Morgoth Bauglir
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Originally Posted by Canadiens1958 View Post
Offence and defence are connected in the same fashion as exhaling and inhaling. They go together. There is no primary focus. Taking faceoffs is the same skill regardless of the zone or situation so obviously the focus issue does not exist for faceoffs. Players focus equally for all faceoffs.

Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux are recognized for their talents in the offensive zone. This overlooks their defensive skills in the offensive zone. Both had the ability to hold the puck longer waiting for the exact moment to execute. Why did they hold the puck so long? Answer is very basic, they recognized the defensive liabilities of moving the puck earlier. Again you cannot separate offence and defence according to focus in such situations.

Neutral zone / defensive zone. On the puck both were very hard to beat one on one. Away from the puck both had the ability to go where the puck was going to be. This ability is evidenced in the high SH goal totals for each. Two issues remain about both in the defensive zone. The team defenses used - both were suited to non-traditional defenses - one forward(preferably) a center responsible for the two points. Protecting the downside. No point in taking the risks involved in blocking shots or having them trapped out of the play.
Originally Posted by Rhiessan71 View Post
Only in your narrow view of the word.
In the real world, defense is about positioning, pressure, controlling lanes and controlling the puck itself.

Again, not in your narrow view. Just because neither of them were very avid backcheckers, that doesn't mean they were poor defensively.
Backchecking is only a part of playing defense. Unfortunately, it's the most noticeable part and the part that far too many people (like yourself) associate with defense and put too much weight to.

But hey, by all means tell me what it is that Datsyuk does that makes him stand out defensively every season?
Is it because he backchecks? Sure but almost everyone backchecks today.
Is it because he's good positionally? For sure but again, a lot of players are good positionally.
Does he control lanes? Yep, Once again though, many players do this.
Or is it because he's one of the best forecheckers in the game and one of the top puck possession players in the league? Bingo!!!

No it isn't.
Thank you. This is something that's been troubling me for a while and it's good to see someone finally address it

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