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Originally Posted by Old Navy Goat View Post
There's been plenty of 50pt 2 way players that signed huge contracts. Names like Drury, Holik, Doan, Linden, Peca spring to mind. Your earlier example of Brad Richards while scoring a bit more than 50pts a season is a 2 way center that happened to have the wheels fall off. The simple fact that a player hits UFA status and has teams bidding for him arbitrarily raises his worth in dollars but not necessarily his worth on the ice. The inherent risk is when the wheels fall off and his value plummets, especially with the recapture rules and the fact that his salary counts if you attempt to bury him. I just happen to find it funny when it happens to Sather as he truly deserves to get saddled with the Holik / Gomez contracts that he throws out.

Jame et al saying that Oshie for Vanek would be a fair trade is due to the simple fact that Vanek is not going to take a 2 or 3yr deal. He's going to want 5 at a minimum which puts the risk squarely onto whatever team acquires him as to when he hits that wall, and you're stuck with a 6 to 7mil per season cap hit on a player that's not performing.
Originally Posted by struckbyaparkedcar View Post
And that belief was unfounded because the New York front office couldn't get over raw offensive production. Kind of like what you're doing now.

And those 50 point checking liners often have more trade value. Which is kind of more relevant to this entire argument, which stemmed from a comparison of Vanek and Oshie's trade value relative to each other.
Of the 50 highest cap hits in today's NHL, only one is an ""elite 50 point two way player" like you guys are talking about. Jordan Staal at 46. You guys can go around agreeing with each other, convincing one another how right you have it, but scorers have been and always will be more coveted and more in demand than two way players. And those two way players don't have more trade value if they are at the same points in their careers, ever.

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