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07-11-2013, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by RGY View Post
Christ what a **** show this forum is becoming. Typical gamer response. It's all about the numbers, reading a piece of paper.

I find it humorous that you claim the reason the rangers wouldn't trade Kreider for Perron is because the rangers couldn't fit Perron's cap hit. YET, the Rangers wouldn't deal Kreider for Rick Nash. What don't you comprehend.
Because the Rangers literally couldn't add to the cap that Perron was carrying, they were that tight to it. Meanwhile in the Nash trade, the Rangers IIRC had around 12 million in cap space.

The stats do not show it all. Kreider is listed almost 20 pounds heavier than Paajarvi. They are NOT the same player. They do not play the same games. And the only reason Paajarvi has played so many more NHL games is because EDM has had garbage teams the past 3 years. They had no depth, hardly any vets. They had no choice but to play him. I am not saying he is a bad hockey player but he has certainly had more time in the NHL. And if you really want to go off of stats, lets look at trends and not just totals. He had 34 points in 80 games in his first year. The following season he bounced between Oklahoma and Edmonton. He had 8 points in 41 GP two years ago. This past year he got back up near his rookie season production at 16 points in 42 GP. So we'll say he is a 35 point player to this point. I am not impressed. Paajarvi has skills but he is a different player than Kreider. Kreider is bigger overall. I'd love to see how these two pan out this season. Let's talk at the end of the 2014 season.
The only reason you listed to me why Kreider is better is because he weights more. Yeah, I'm not really convinced that his added 20 lbs is going to make him a better hockey player.

You do realize that at one point, Paajarvi was a top 10 prospect on this website?

Paajarvi is the same age as Kreider and had a far more impressive NHL resume from his rookie season. It can't be stated how disastrous Kreider's rookie stint was with the Rangers shot differential wise, that alone gives a lot of warning signs on his game.

Regardless of the comparison...this isn't NHL '13 or '14. I know your eyes light up every time a scoring forward is moved and you start complaining why couldn't the rangers trade for him. Perron is 25 and has had 2-3 concussions already, missing significant amount of time. The Rangers can't afford to take his cap hit with his injury risk no matter who we could've offered for him. I wouldn't trade anything of significance from our prospect pool for Perron.

The bottom line is Perron has been a 40-50 point player in his career with concussion problems and you want to trade our best prospect for him. It's pathetic. Nash has been a 65-75 point player and this organization wouldn't trade Kreider for him. But why trust Gordie Clark and our scouts? Certainly a teenager knows more about Kreider than them.
Gordie Clark isn't a genius, he has picked many duds over his time with the Islanders. As a fan, I feel I can critique the draft pick if needed. It's not like he's Hakaan Andersson of the Red Wings to warrant immunity to criticism.

And to call Perron 'just a 40-50 pt player' is quite underselling him since he brings a lot more to the game than just point totals. You fail to mention that he has high end talent, a dominant puck possession game and natural playmaking instincts.

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