Patrick Kane vs John Tavares vs Jonathan Toews vs Taylor Hall
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07-17-2013, 12:37 PM
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First of all, no I didn't claim Toews is better offensively. In my mind him and Tavares have been virtually a wash thus far in their careers offensively. The stats back up that opinion.
Second, you conveniently, despite my post outlining a pretty comprehensive breakdown of their stats, picked one stat (goals) in one season (last year) to hang your hat on. If you were to look at my earlier posts you would see that Tavares and Toews have scored at a similar rate in their career no matter how you slice it. If anything the argument could be made that Toews has been a better goal scorer than Tavares thus far in their careers, since Toews goals per game has been consistently slightly higher no matter how you slice it (0.41 vs 0.38 career, 0.38 vs. 0.38 1st 4 years, 0.46 vs 0.42 last 3 years, 0.49 vs 0.45 last 2 years).
Tavares may very well become better than Toews offensively, but he simply isn't better right now. The lengths his supporters go to try to prove otherwise is amusing.
Guy, that's fine. If you want to compare them NOW based on how they each did in their 1-4 seasons, go for it. I'm sure Toews will win. Considering Tavares has been a different player since his 3rd season, that's what I'll use as a measuring stick when seeing how he matches up to the games' best. If you think that's cherry picking, so be it. I just don't see how Tavares' rookie or even sophomore years have anything to do with how I or anyone should view him at this point in his career.
Either way, if you don't think PPG(more specifically, assist totals) is affected by supporting cast, I don't know what to tell you. You can call it "going to lengths", but IMO it's "going to lengths" by acting like it doesn't make a difference... or do you believe that you swapped both players, they would give you the exact same production?
Obviously it's a "what if", but I don't think that makes it moot. Especially when arguing about a guy's lack of assists, which directly relates to supporting cast.
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