2013 Philadelphia Phillies (MLB): Charlie Manuel has been fired (Aug. 16)
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08-18-2013, 02:01 PM
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Yeah sure, but you see a team like the Braves who almost always have prime pitching and you think what are they do differently. And I don't know that much about other organizations but I still think the Phillies are really bad at this. Looking through our system, I can't see one pitcher that doesn't have control issues. In fact, just look at the entire pitching staff of the lehigh ironpigs over the past year. You can go down to Reading, too.
Biddle, Martin, Friend, DeFratus, Diekman, Aumont, Ramirez, Colvin, etc., these are all goes with great stuff but bad to decent command. Out of all those young guys in that bullpen, none of them can consistently throw strikes. The bullpen averages 4.22 walks per nine innings, worst in the majors. This seems like a big issue for me, that no matter who you bring up, they will walk guys.
Someone needs to figure out what's going on
The problem is that we have NEVER had a good pitching nor hitting coach. I'm not saying that the guys we've had couldn't do it themselves (obviously they COULD) but there is a difference between being able to do it and being able to TEACH it. Most great players actually make poor coaches because they were able to have great athletic ability overcome poor technique.
Regarding our pitches that WE develop through minors, just compare their deliveries to those of some of the best and most consistent in the league over the last 20 year. Hallowday and Greg Maddox are probably 2 of the best and most consistent pitchers of the past 20 years. They have the same wind-up every pitch. There isn't a lot of twisting of the upper body. They ALWAYS finish the pitch coming straight to the plate and are in excellent fielding position after the pitch (Maddox won something like 10 straight gold gloves too IIRC).
I watch a lot of the pitchers we "develop" and I see poor poor technique. The fall of the mound towards first or third. They "swim" with their glove causing them to twist their upper body, then the lower body follows and the finish the pitch facing either first or third as opposed to square to the plate. You'll see them drop the pitching hand below their knee on their delivery causing their body to get ahead of the pitch and the ball is delivered late. ALL of these things PREVENT you from having a consistent and repeatable wind-up and delivery and THAT is the key to consistency and control in pitching.
It's frustrating as hell for me to watch these young kids come up and NOBODY has corrected these BLATENT flaws.
You don't even want to get me started on our poor coaching of hitters. Pat Burrel was a prime example. He had great natural ability but actually VERY poor technique. You would think that once he started having struggles that SOMEONE would have stepped in and changed his swing to make him do thi9ngs right but NOOOOO, they had him hunch over more and stick his ass out further causing him to swing with pretty much just his upper body, be off balance, and reaching for pitches.
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