Thread: Bossy vs Sakic
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08-23-2013, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Regal View Post
No, Sakic wasn't leading in all statistical categories, but that wasn't really the point. You can't compare their stats directly when Bossy was playing in the late 70's, early 80's and Sakic's best seasons were from the mid-90's to early 2000's.

Top point finishes:

Sakic: 2,2,3,4,5,5,6,6,8,10
Bossy: 2,4,4,4,5,5,6,6

Top goal finishes:

Sakic: 2,5,6,6,10
Bossy: 1,1,2,2,2,3,3,5,7

Top Assist Finishes:

Sakic: 3,3,4,4,5,5,6,8,9
Bossy: 4,6,9

Top Point Per Game Finishes:

Sakic: 2,3,3,5,5,6,6,7,8
Bossy: 2,3,4,4,5,6,6,7

Top Goals Per Game Finishes:

Sakic: 3,4,7,9
Bossy: 1,2,2,2,3,3,3,4,5,8

Top Assists Per Game Finishes:

Sakic: 1,3,5,6,6,8,8,9,9
Bossy: 4,4

Without Gretzky, Lemieux and their cohorts

Top Points Finishes:

Bossy: 1,1,3,3,3,3,4,6
Sakic: 1,2,2,4,5,5,6,7,8

Top Points Per Game Finishes:

Sakic: 2,2,3,3,4,5,5,7,8,10
Bossy: 1,1,2,3,3,4,6,6

Top Adjusted Points Totals:

Sakic: 128, 115, 109, 107, 102, 101, 97, 90, 88, 86
Bossy: 108, 106, 97, 95, 93, 93, 92, 81, 78

* Adjusted points aren't great and tend to skew 80's players down and late 90's players up, but it's interested how flipped the numbers become


I think Bossy's finishes show he was a much better goalscorer, and slightly better point scorer, though I think the integration of foreign players hurts a Sakic a bit here. Offensively I don't think there was a massive difference between them though.

One problem is that Sakic's finishes are a little more spread out, but at the same time from 95-96 to 2000-01, Sakic finished 3rd in totals points behind Jagr and Selanne, and 4th in PPG behind Lemieux, Jagr and Lindros. Pretty elite company. From 98-99 to 00-01, Sakic finished 2nd in points and PPG to prime Jagr, finishing well ahead of third place Bure. Bossy's best 6 and 3 year stretches put him only second to Gretzky, but without a huge lead over third place, and without going against prime Jagr.

Again, I don't dispute that Bossy was a better offensive player, but I don't think it was by a large margin. And while he was a great goalscorer, and his 50 goal season record is impressive, I stand by the fact that it causes him to get overrated at times. He's not the best goalscorer of all time like some like to claim, and I don't think referencing the record is reason enough to place him over Sakic. I think at their peaks the two were very close, Bossy may have had the better prime, but Sakic has a great extended prime to make up for it. I don't think they should be too far apart on any list though.
Great analysis, it's obviously very close between the two, but I would give the slight edge to Sakic based on two-way play, and a much longer career. Regarding the part in bold, perfect example is the post below mine.

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Originally Posted by jarmoismyhero View Post
Bossy was the best goal scorer ever and that is an unreal thing to be. Bossy AINEC. Not many people can you say are better than Sakic AINEC but Bossy is one of them.
Lemieux, Gretzky, Richard, Bobby Hull, all say hello, no way is Bossy a better goalscorer than any of them. Then there's Brett Hull, Alex Ovechkin and Pavel Bure who are atleast as good as Bossy at scoring goals IMO.

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