End of fighting in the NHL?
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10-03-2013, 06:52 PM
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The 2007 Ducks, the 2011 Bruins. These were Cup winners that fought a lot. Anaheim led the NHL in fights did they not in 2007? There was a spike in fighting in the NHL in 2007-'08 just because teams loaded up more on toughness. The Bruins are well known for their bruising and nearly won the Cup in 2013. This whole "the game has changed" mentality is nonsense especially when I am talking about 1997 and more importantly, a few months ago. The game has barely changed at all. In 1976 the Flyers were running the NHL. Two straight Cup wins, beating the snot out of the Russians and then another Cup final appearance in 1976. Robinson tamed them. Did he do it because he was nice and asked politely? Heck no. He was tough, he labelled Gary Doernofer with one of the best hits of all-time and his ability to drop the gloves meant the Flyers couldn't push teams around. Fighting was important then too. It has the exact same role today. A small part of the game, but certainly a part of the game.
Both teams were tough but they were also skilled. How did fighting help them win the Cup? Anaheim had four fights in the playoffs. Three of them were against Minnesota. How did fighting help them win against Vancouver? Detroit? Ottawa?
Boston had 5 fights during their cup run. No enforcers fought. How did these five fights contribute to their Cup win? Did fighting stop Aaron Rome from cleaning Horton's clock? Did fighting stop Burrows from biting Bergeron? Did fighting stop Lapierre from acting like a goof?
You know, nothing is stopping any of these guys from packing it in at 28-29 years old instead of playing into their 30s if they think their head is taking a licking. I realize it is hard to pass up that kind of money, but Brett Lindros did it. These guys have a choice, know it is a violent game and with the money they make in the few seasons they are able to go to school, buy a business and do anything they want for the rest of their life. Sell insurance, go to law school, etc. Be an analyst on TV. Steve Young and Troy Aikman both ended their careers because of concussions and both are analysts in the NFL. They knew it was time to go and didn't want to risk any damage to their brain. I don't blame them. But they know that every time the ball was snapped back to them there was a linebacker wanting to shove them to the ground. That's a tough business, but you can back out of it if you need to. They have the money where they can never work a day in their life again if they choose.
As for what you said about players that had to retire due to a fight, that is a small amount of players you mentioned, considering the rest of the reasons players need to retire due to injuries. Fighting barely scratches the surface that way.
The NHL has a duty to protect its players. Some players won't quit. Some players will play with injuries. Look at Maholtra. He has a terrible eye injury but he still wanted to play. After getting his clocked clean by a clean open ice hit, Gillis figured that was enough. Manny with good eye sight would have seen that hit coming.
This is a huge mistake Shero is making. But that's another story for the Penguins. You have the best player in the last decade and you allow him to be picked on the way he's been for 8 years? Whatever, I'm not the GM. His dad wouldn't have stood for that for a second though.
And no one wants a Chris Benoit situation. However, from the beginning most hockey guys are good people. Some get themselves into trouble but you can't let a couple of isolated incidents paint a picture for these guys. We barely have legal problems off the ice in the NHL with players. In the NFL you can't go a week without one of them getting arrested. What is a "bad boy" in the NHL? A picture of Patrick Kane partying and drinking with some friends. You are worrying too much about things.
Crosby has had Laraque, Rupp, Godard and Macintrye. Three of those players were/are some of the best enforcers in the game. They didn't help at all. MacIntrye played about 12 games then he was cut. Which shows me enforcers aren't needed. If Crosby wanted one, I am sure Shero would get one.
Chris Benoit was a good person. His brain was in terrible shape from all the trauma it endured.
After the double-murder suicide, former wrestler Christopher Nowinski contacted Michael Benoit, father of Chris Benoit, suggesting that years of trauma to his son's brain may have led to his actions. Tests were conducted on Benoit's brain by Julian Bailes, the head of neurosurgery at West Virginia University, and results showed that "Benoit's brain was so severely damaged it resembled the brain of an 85-year-old Alzheimer's patient. He was reported to have had an advanced form of dementia, similar to the brains of four retired NFL players who had suffered multiple concussions, sank into depression, and harmed themselves or others. Bailes and his colleagues concluded that repeated concussions can lead to dementia, which can contribute to severe behavioral problems
While there is no smoking gun evidence to show that brain trauma caused the Benoit situation, there is strong evidence to suggest thr brain trauma lead to his murder suicide.
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