Thread: Player Discussion: With Emelin in, who's out?
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11-14-2013, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Sorinth View Post
The team was playing better but it had little to do with Murray replacing Tinordi/Beaulieu. If it was all Murray's fault we would still be dominant when he was not on the ice which we aren't.
More or less, it goes like this: we're dominant when Markov-Subban is on the ice, roughly even when Gorges-Diaz is on the ice (because they get tough defensive assignments), and getting pasted when Bouillon-Murray is on the ice. If Bouillon-Murray could just break even, Markov-Subban would pull the team ahead. As it is, Bouillon-Murray are getting creamed more than Markov-Subban can compensate.

Illustrative numbers: with Subban on the ice, 5-on-5, the Habs have outshot their opponents by 24, which is pretty good, especially given his matchups. But in less than a fourth of the icetime, with Murray on the ice, the Habs have been outshot by 28. Bouillon's numbers are grim, but not as grim.

Originally Posted by Sorinth View Post
Murray can defend the net better which is one of our biggest weaknesses and he's a better PKer than Bouillon. The only guy we have besides Murray that can match up physically against bigger PWF type players is Subban.
PWF types tend to be top-6ers of exactly the sort who feast on vulnerable, slow-footed defensemen with no puck skills, such as Murray. He's exactly the kind of guy you don't want Murray out against; he already has more than enough trouble dealing with fourth-liners.

Originally Posted by Sorinth View Post
Murray compliments the other 5 guys because he brings something that the rest don't really have (Size/Physicality).
It's too bad it ends up being undermined by the fact he can't play effective defense, but thankfully, with Emelin in the lineup who brings size and physicality in the package of an effective defenseman, that "hole" is much less of an issue.

As a side note though, I've never understood while it was okay to ice an objectively substandard player because he somehow "fills a role". I don't think NHL teams particularly need bad players of any sort.

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