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11-29-2013, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by guymez View Post
Burke is light years smarter than Lowe. For one thing he understands the importance of experience and continuity especially when it comes to the coaching staff. Hartley is a solid coach...no reason to replace him unless the team quits on him.

Its not that I am fairly positive about the Flames rebuild...its more about how incompetent the Oilers have been during their rebuild. If you look at things objectively (which is very hard for most Oiler fans to do) the Flames have already done more right than the Oilers.

I see many more things in place for the Flames than I did for the Oilers over the last 4 years. The Flames have a solid veteran presence in Wideman, Giordano,Glencross, Hudler et al which is critical when you are adding young players to the mix. They have coaching continuity with an experienced coach and a strong system. The Flames need to find a goalie (with the FA crop this off season and plenty of cap space that shouldnt be an issue).

So the Flames have pieces in place that the Oilers are still trying to fix...a good defence, good veteran support, a gritty lineup, coaching continuity, a smart hockey man in Burke and cap space.

The Oilers screwed up royally by hanging on to useless veteran players and waited until the 4th year to do anything to help that cause.
The Oilers STILL have a bad defence despite the fact they have maxed out the cap year after year. They still are too easy to play against 4 years into the rebuild.
Its mind boggling how a team can still be so bad and have little to no cap room.
They have absolutely no coaching continuity and changed they system almost every year. They decided that the solution to the system and the coaching was to hire a rookie coach.

To top things off they have an incompetent buffoon like Lowe still on staff because he is buddies with the owner. The same can probably be said for Bucky.
Ridiculous.

The fact of the matter is that the Oilers have f-ed up this rebuild beyond belief. There is really no way to do it worse.
By no means do I want to defend the Oilers and their rebuild because they've made some blunders and will probably make more but most of this is just silly. Comparing them to the Flames? Really? Flames suck and will for years. At least the Oil have some parts in place in regards to offense, as well as some possible top line pairs in Nurse/Klefbom.

Saying the Oilers never had players that were considered tough or they had no experienced veterans during their rebuild is just plain wrong...as long as you understand the rebuild started after Pronger and the rest left in '07.

To me, it looks like the Flames are where the Oil were in 08/09..perhaps worse. Essentially, they could be years away from even coming close to the playoffs.

In 2008/2009, the Oil had:


Kyle Brodziak
Andrew Cogliano
Erik Cole
Sam Gagner
Tom Gilbert
Denis Grebeskov
Ales Hemsky
Shawn Horcoff
Steve MacIntyre
Ethan Moreau
Robert Nilsson
Dustin Penner
Fernando Pisani
Marc Pouliot
Liam Reddox
Ladislav Smid
Sheldon Souray
Steve Staios
Zack Stortini
Jason Strudwick
Lubomir Visnovsky

Toughness, youth, skill, just drafted Eberle, had Gagner, Nilsson and Cogs as the 'next' top line, Hemmer, lots of tough players and veterans.

That looked like a much better lineup than Calgary has but, essentially, they didn't get it done.

All Calgary has over the Oil rebuild at the moment is Burke and his history. We'll see how well that goes for them.

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