Round 2, Vote 5 (HOH Top Centers)
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12-01-2013, 12:01 PM
Join Date: Dec 2010
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Interesting idea but why punish other guys for having great 24-26 age seasons?
also any allowance we make for the war years is speculation and we need to make some for the war years and lockout years as well. The vsX model is also another method but there is more room for variance in a larger league as well. For example a guy competing with 180 top 6 players for PP and top 6 scoring might see more random fluctuations of luck bumping him down than say a guy in a 6 team league with 36 such players.
This is one of the reasons top 10 finishes in a 6 team league don't always correspond very well to top 10 finishes in a 30 team league.
Again here is the before and after for Schmidt for 2 full years around the lost war years.
41 He had a line of 45-13-25-38 good for 11th in the league (5th on the Bruins)
42 He had a line of 36-14-21-35 good for 20th in the league (3rd on the Bruins)
46 He had a line of 48-13-18-31 good for 23rd in the league (4th on the Bruins)
47 He had a line of 59-27-35-62 good for 4th in the league (1st on the Bruins)
In a 6 team league he is just under an aggregate top 15th finish averaged out over those years and alot of that boost is form one of his 2 outlier type of seasons offensively.
15ish in a 36(top 6) forward league really isn't going to add alot to his resume.
If we only average the year before and after it's a 22ish ranking. In a 6 team league that's not very significant.
Feds is playing in a 21 plus team league so all the top 6 forwards in the league are going to be more than 180, thus a lot more room for variance and even more so considering how Scotty used Feds.
I will have a more detailed look at Feds later today but his playoff resume of 15 good to excellent seasons is his strong point, along with excellent defensive play through out his career.
You continue to subject Schmidt's numbers and scoring finishes to detailed analysis, and then follow this up by praising Fedorov. Fedorov's numbers and scoring finishes are no better than Schmidt's.
And at some point, I'd like to see some evidence to back up this idea that Bowman held Fedorov back. Because my memory of the situation was that Fedorov was always a 20+ minute player on some of the highest-scoring teams of his era. Defensive assignments be damned, there were certainly some offensive advantages there.
But boy, does he get a lot of mileage out of the idea that, 'Bowman held him back'.
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