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Originally Posted by Psuhockey View Post
Comparison 1
Duncan Keith
2001-02 Michigan State University CCHA 41 3 12 15 18 8
2002-03 Michigan State University CCHA 15 3 6 9 8 -4

Shayne Gostisbehere
2011-12 Union College ECAC 41 5 17 22 20
2012-13 Union College ECAC 36 8 18 26 39
2013-14 Union College ECAC 18 6 10 16 12 0
Remember that Gostisbehere was drafted as an overager, in his draft year he was passed over. Here is how they look when the years are lined up when they were the same age:

Keith: 15 points in 42 games at Michigan State
Gostisbehere: 36 points in 24 games at South Kent Prep.

No comparison to be made, such different levels of play.

Keith: 9 points in 15 games at Michigan State, 46 points in 37 games in the WHL
Gostisbehere: 22 points in 41 games at Union

Keith: 25 points in 75 games in the AHL
Gostisbehere: 26 points in 36 games at Union

Keith: 26 points in 79 games the AHL
Gostisbehere: 16 points in 18 games at Union (current season)

Keith clearly looks more impressive.

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Comparison 2
Zdeno Chara post draft year (only one in juniors)
1996-97 Prince George Cougars WHL 49 3 19 22 120 15 1 7 8 45

Samuel Morin pre and post year
2012-13 Rimouski Oceanic QMJHL 46 4 12 16 117 10 6 1 6 7 16
2013-14 Rimouski Oceanic QMJHL 25 4 11 15 57 -6

Shea Weber pre and post year
2002-03 Kelowna Rockets WHL 70 2 16 18 167 25 19 1 4 5 26
2003-04 Kelowna Rockets WHL 60 12 20 32 126 23 17 3 14 17 16
Chara is such a unique player with a weird developmental curve that there is no use in comparing anyone to him. He's literally the only person like him in NHL history. Weber is an odd player whose offense never really showed in juniors. As I said, it happens. It just doesn't happen very often.

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Comparison 3
Erik Karlsson
2007-08 Frolunda HC SEL 7 1 0 1 0 2 6 0 0 0 0
2008-09 Frolunda HC SEL 45 5 5 10 10 3 11 1 2 3 24
2008-09 Boras HC Swe-1 7 0 1 1 14 -1

Robert Hagg
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM
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2012-13 MODO Hockey Ornskoldsvik SEL 27 0 1 1 2 1 0 0 0 0
2013-14 Modo Hockey Ornskoldsvik SweHL 33 1 4 5 16
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Yeah, Karlsson didn't take off until the year after he was drafted. If Hagg plays at over a point a game in the WJC this year and plays at a .87PPG pace in all U20 games over 15 games like Karlsson did, make all the comparisons you want. But right now, Hagg has one point in five U20 games, and in all likelihood will not put up that kind of pace.

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Points wise those guys don't look all that different as far as junior careers so you must be talking about hype. US college guys, especially smaller guys like Rafalski and Boyle, get very little hype unless they are drafted high. As far as Pk Subban being highly rated coming out, he wasn't even in TSN's top 30. http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=7066. The world juniors post draft rose his stock. Let's see how Hagg performs and possibly morin next year if he makes it.
Rafalski and Boyle aren't realistic comparable players because when they were draft eligible players, the NHL was a completely different league. Small defensemen were seen as having zero NHL future at all because of their size and the style of play in the league at the time. It didn't matter what crooked numbers they put up, their size meant they weren't effective in a scout's eyes. It's a completely different league now, and if they put up the numbers they did back in the day in today's NCAA, they'd be very highly regarded. When Subban entered the pros, he was regarded as one of the best defensive prospects in hockey. He put up a huge season in the OHL and WJC.

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