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12-31-2013, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Rhiessan71 View Post
And yet there's all these players like Mario, like Bourque, like Gartner just to mention 3, that managed to maintain around the same goal scoring level in the 90's that they did in the 80's.

How is that possible Hardy? According to you, it shouldn't be.

See, no one denies that the game has changed, gotten faster and become more defensive. That's never been the issue with what you always spout around here.
The issue, is that you fail to see that the best of the best (you know, the 99.9% of the players we talk about around here) adapt and evolve, continuing to score their goals and get their points at a high level while the lesser players are choked off to a much greater degree.

As has been pointed out many times now, scoring is down and it is harder to score today but Primary scoring isn't down by anywhere close to the same level as what League levels are down by. It's the secondary scoring that has taken the big hit.

It's also never been the argument that there's less talent today, the argument is that that talent is being suppressed a lot more today.
As usual there are too many straw men here to cover and we have been all over it before, the exceptions do sometimes prove the rule and no we don't only talk about the 99.9% of players here many of those players often have seasons in the 80-90% range, or less, as well but that's a whole other matter.

look at the goalies and skating from the early 80's to mid 90's and beyond, quite simply the changes in the goalies (equipment and otherwise) and the overall skating in the league is dramatically different.

Part of the problem here seems to be "the best of the best" argument that is being defended.

In the early 80's it's still primarily an all Canadian league with some Americans and a hand full of players from Europe, fast forward to mid 90's the quality and quantity of non Canadian players has greatly outpaced the increase in 9 teams.

Simply look at raw numbers, then post season all star voting and this trend, or change become quite clear.

There is a possibility that even with this massive influx of new talent that the league didn't get any better or more competitive but that lies on the premise that Canadian hockey got a lot worse and there really isn't any evidence to suggest that either.

Maybe the changes in the game get full recognition as some point here or the bar will continually be set higher for players to come than the higher standard set for the most recent guys already.

Then again maybe not.

Last edited by Hardyvan123: 12-31-2013 at 06:57 PM.
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