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02-12-2014, 03:27 AM
Mr Positive
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Originally Posted by BlowbyBlow View Post
i agree with 99% of what you say. My only concern is do we essentially do to Gagner what we did to Mike Comrie (trade Doug Weight) then what happened to Shawn Horcoff (trade Comrie), - basically putting guys ahead of there expected position.

I'm not saying Lander or Pitlick wouldn't be bad fill ins because I am definitely in the camp of lets give all these players 30 game tryouts till the end of the season. There's no point to padded stats, and useless wins. Smid seems to be a trade more based on locker room attitude (apparently calling out some team mates). Part of it is (a) does dumping Gagner's salary matter; will it make room for any potential trade's, ufa signings (at this point his salary is a hindrance and most teams would like the Oilers to retain salary (b) is he a bad example to other players; work ethic, attitude, ect.

I sort of look at it like Brad Richards last year - was a good player, lost a step = diminished value, but as found a continuous role on the team. Would Gagner be untradeable - that's the feeling but i don't believe it because there has been players who were distractions (Erat), bad work ethics (Semin), attitude issues (Grabovski) and they all found teams - these guys are slightly better than Gagner but there all know for taking more than a few nights off.

See I look at it like the chicken and egg analogy - the Oilers want size (which they have had in the past; Penner) yet lacked work ethic, and intensity. Gagner doesn't have size but he does have other good attributes and much like Yakupov if you have a player who is willing to commit to a role that maybe less than what you expected you should put that player in that role (in this case Gagner) - provided he's not worse than the potential player you are acquiring. My first post really was more about who is Gagner's comparable, will they play the same role here, will they have the intensity, can this team develop that player and save an asset, who will replace Gagner's role, ect.
Smid was gone for about half a dozen reasons. Maybe the locker room thing was the reason for the exact timing, but I figure that his days were numbered the day we signed Ference. At any rate, the reasons are irrelevant. Marincin would not have had his shot if it weren't for that trade. Smid is vastly overpaid as a 3rd pairing D, which is what he is on Edmonton and Calgary, two of the worst teams in the league currently. Addition by subtraction is real.

I totally agree with what you say about Gagner, as well as players like Penner. I just don't see how to translate Gagner's value to our team success. If we had drafted a player other than Yakupov and weren't so logjammed at RW, I could see Gagner be a 2RW. If Joensuu turned out to be the next Lucic, I could see Gagner staying as 2C next to him. If MacT made a few trades that surrounded Gagner with big linemates to give him room, I could see it. I just don't see those things happening.

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