OT: Forsberg Traded to Nashville
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02-17-2007, 01:27 AM
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Hand's down, mainly because of health.
If I'm a Flyers fan I am very happy.
If I'm a division rival fan (which I am) I'm concerned.
Philly has a VERY nice cupboard of young players.
Not really. They young players they have are already with the team. In the system, they still lack a future NHL goalie, let alone a future potential starter. They also lack defenders, and after hearing about Parent's back, that dampens the deal a little bit. Parent's upside by the way is a top-4 defender, but he has the ability to be one of the better shutdown defenders in the league. Upshall has the potential to be a 20-goal 50-60 point 2nd line winger, if you ask me. But nothing very special. The 1st rounder they get will be bottom of the barrel. This deal helps bring them out of the bottom of the basement. There's still a lot to be desired in their system, and I'm not really sold on Richards' offensive numbers being high. Carter isn't looking like the future 1st line power center I thought he'd be. Potulny will be lucky if he scores 30 one day.
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With NYR restocking the youth..Pitts with all the studs...Flyers with all these nice young players & Lou still running the Devils and how he always finds gems in the draft.... the Islanders must be scared for the years ahead....
I know the Fishsticks have some good prospects but I would place them last in our division when it comes to prospects/young studs... any thoughts on my order?
3. Philly (maybe 2nd now after that trade...?)
No way, the Islanders have a better prospect core than the Devils and Philly. All Philly has added is Parent, who comes with a bulging disc in his back. It still does little to address that they have no future NHL talent in terms of defenders and goalies. And the only two forwards worth a damn in their system are Giroux and Ruzicka.
I would also say the Rangers have better propsects right now than anyone in that division.
In Pittsburgh, Malkin and Staal are not prospects anymore, so that pretty much dries up the talent pool down there. I mean they still have Goligoski, Christensen, Letang, and Welch, but not much after that.
As for Jersey, Zajac really isn't a prospect anymore, so you're looking at Bergfors and Corrente as their 2 best, with Vasyunov, a guy who has the potential to be deadly, but is a boom or bust type player, Tallackson, a 3rd line checking winger with some scoring touch if you ask me, and Frazee, a servicable backup, not too far behind.
The Islanders have some nice forwards. I really don't consider Nilsson a prospect anymore, as he played 50+ games last year, but Okposo has the makings of a stud, O'Marra has the makings of a solid two-way 2nd liner like a Michael Peca, persay, Tambellini will be a solid 2nd line scoring winger, Joensuu's stock has dropped drastically from being the #1 ranked forward for the 06 draft in October of 04... but even still, he has some upside, but I don't see him being more than a 2nd line power winger at his best. Nokelainen and Comeau could be good checking players. But aside from Dustin Kohn and Wes O'Neill, they don't have a defender that has the potential to play in the NHL anymore, and Dubie is not a prospect anymore for them in net, so they have NO ONE that even comes close to being an NHL caliber netminder to back up DiPietro one day.
I like where the Rangers are. They lack the top-flight talents that some other teams have, but they're so incredibly balanced that they're one or two pieces (forward mostly) away from being a REAL DANGEROUS looking team in the future. Look at the forwards... we've got two solid centers in Anisimov and Dubinsky, and Artem has the potential to be a 1st liner, although it's a very safe bet that he'll be a 2nd line center. Dubinsky has made huge strides to be where he is, and despite a slow start, has been great of late in Hartford. Ryan Callahan is 3rd in goals in the AHL as a rookie... and he's another guy that was said to be a 3rd liner... now he's making everyone question his upside... could there be more? Nigel Dawes has the potential to be a 20-30 goal 2nd line winger, if he's ever given an 'effin chance. Tom Pyatt has the potential to be a Selke Caliber two-way forward, if you ask me. From what I saw from him at the WJC, his smarts were on a level that you don't see from most players that age. Nevermind Al Montoya's dominance of the AHL in net. He's a near lock to be a future elite goaltender. Then, we have some real good players on defense. Marc Staal has started to produce a bit more offensively as of recent, and is well known for his defense. Just check out footage from him shutting down top forwards at the last two WJC's, being named top defender at the 06 tournament. Bobby Sanguinetti has 21 goals and 44 points in only 56 games this season. He's going to be one hell of an offensive defenseman. Michael Sauer if he can stay healthy is going to be an invaluable two-way shutdown type defender. He will be the heart and soul of the defense. Ivan Baranka will be a real nasty stay-at-home type defender.
We're just one or two pieces away. Pittsburgh has had their elite talents graduate. Philly is just not deep at all. The Islanders lack defenders and goaltenders, but have a good thing going at forward, and the Devils aren't deep at any position, but have some talent.
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I've said all along that people will be surprised by how much Philly would get back if they traded Forsberg.
I'll have a nice order of crow, heh.
Honestly, the Nagy trade was the standard for these deals. So once I saw that one, I knew was going to be eating crow. Although, I do look at the deal a bit differently now with Parent having a bulging disc in his back.
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After 2007 draft it is safe to say that NYR will be slightly after Flyers in terms of talent. Depends who we pick in our 1st round. I also do not think Flyers are done dealing (well I hope we trade a few more players (Calder, Sanderson, Esche, maybe Hatcher, maybe York).
Dude, give it a break. You know nothing about the Rangers farm system.
You got an injured Ryan Parent, and Scott Upshall, a player whose upside is a 20 goal 2nd line winger at best. The 1st rounder isn't going to be that high either. I don't think anybody wants the players you just named either, as Hatcher is an overpaid traffic cone, York is out-of-shape and overpaid, Sanderson is on the downside of his career, and Esche just sucks. It's sad, I figured Sanderson would thrive under the new rules. Speed has been his game for the longest time, and if you've got speed to burn in this new game, you can light it up.
Fact is, the Flyers farm system still sucks. You have NO GOALTENDING, which is a BIG PROBLEM. You're pencil-thin on defense behind Parent, who has a bulging disc in his back. My father has the same condition. Got it 20 years ago in a bad auto accident in which he was a passenger, and still feels it from time to time. In all likelyhood, it won't just go away. At forward, behind Giroux and Ruzicka, there is no depth aside from Downie, who is a Sean Avery clone, and Nodl, whose upside is that of a 2nd liner, at his very best.
The Flyers could use a lot more improvement in the farm system before they're even mentioned in the same sentence as the Rangers' farm system.
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