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Originally Posted by FlyingKostitsyn View Post
The same argument could be used to claim that Pacioretty is only good because of Desharnais - After all Max was a pretty mediocre player before they were paired, some even called him a bust! Now of course we both know that statement would be false because we both see Pacioretty play and know he's big, strong, has a good shot, a good skillset and a head on his shoulders, which is why he has success. Hockey stats can only show so much, in the end we have to evaluate talent in a way that can't be 100% quantified.
Except Max broke out being paired with Gomez not when he was put with Desharnais. He's been scoring at a pretty similar rate ever since.


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Originally Posted by FlyingKostitsyn View Post
Because that likely doesn't count as ''facts'' for you I'll throw some quick stats. If you want an exemple of Desharnais not playing with Pacioretty then look no further than his first NHL season.

Here are the most frequent lines Desharnais played with in 2010-11 :

22.51% EV 58 DESHARNAIS,DAVID - 57 POULIOT,BENOIT - 53 WHITE,RYAN
16.58% EV 52 DARCHE,MATHIEU - 58 DESHARNAIS,DAVID -57POULIOT,BENOIT
6.65% EV 58 DESHARNAIS,DAVID - 57 POULIOT,BENOIT - 94 PYATT,TOM
3.96% EV 58 DESHARNAIS,DAVID - 32 MOEN,TRAVIS - 57 POULIOT,BENOIT

You can consult the rest of the lines here

The ''best'' player he's been paired with any significant amount of time is, I suppose, Benoit Pouliot. Desharnais played with Pacioretty represents about 3% of his ice time (probably the odd shift or during line changes). That year Desharnais scored 22 points in 43 games as a rookie playing on the 4th line.

To put things in perspective, Desharnais that year had worse wingers than Eller currently has, less ice time and yet produced nearly as much (22pts vs 24) in 30 less games while being a rookie player. DD was 23yr old at the time. Eller is currently 24. Desharnais clawed his way to an NHL roster spot, all the way from the ECHL beating prejudice against both undrafted and small players, nothing was given to him. He plays with Pacioretty because he can and Max wants him as his center because he's comfortable with him.
Desharnais only had 14 even strength points. He got a lot of his points on the PP where his most common linemates were Kostitsyn, Plekanec, Cammalleri & Gomez. In fact DD as a rookie got twice as much PP time a game as Eller does.

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