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04-25-2014, 02:02 PM
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1- lmao. I know Therrien has said that Subban shouldn't have taken penalties and those may have led to losses, but I'd like to see even a shred of proof from you proving that Therrien specifically blamed Subban for a loss on multiple occasions. You're being so dramatic.

2- Wh... What? Desharnais has been our top line center for almost the entire season... He's the one playing with Pacioretty and Vanek. I'm at a loss for words as to how you can even attempt to argue otherwise. Plekanec may be more valuable overall, but it doesn't change the fact that Desharnais plays on the top line, which produces the most points for the Habs. Desharnais has better production than Plekanec over the past three seasons, and he has better chemistry with our top scorer. I'm honestly shocked at your logic here. Therrien gave the kid line lots of ice opportunities, but the truth of the matter is that it was solely Eller's fault for his "regression" (lol) because he played poorly after his strong beginning. The fact that you suggest playing Eller on our powerplay is laughable. Therrien is setting an example that you need to work for your opportunities; he's not just going to throw it at Eller and hope it sticks. He gave him powerplay opportunities, but Eller never demonstrated that he deserved consistent time on the powerplay. It's almost like you didn't watch hockey this season.

3- Your complaint doesn't make sense though, because Therrien gave Galchenyuk a couple of opportunities at center anyways, during the season. He's still super young, and to give him opportunities at center would be at the expense of Eller, who we are also attempting to develop and is further along his development curve.

4- Yes, in the regular season it plummeted, but that was not the responsibility of Therrien. Again, place blame on those were are responsible. Therrien knows it's important and has been making efforts to fix it. I see no reason why you are blaming him for this.

5- Funny, the only stats that matter (the standings) tell me something else than what you're trying to say. They were one of the best teams in the league at the latter bit of the season. And the Habs are still playing a similar style to what we played during the season, we just modified it in order to combat Tampa's speed and emphasize transitional play.

6-....You're seriously trying to tell me I'm the one nitpicking when you're the one that listed 8 silly reasons why you don't like Therrien, a couple of which aren't even his fault. None of our players really regressed, most stayed on par with what they are used to, and a handful of our players had fantastic seasons and did indeed improve. What the hell are you trying to say here? You want our entire team to improve in one season? This is the silliest point you made. A bunch of our players got better, including Price, Pacioretty, Gorges, Markov, Desharnais, and others compared to last season, but none got worse. What else could you possibly want? This is such an unfounded complaint, and it makes no sense.

8- What you're trying to say here makes no sense. His changing of the system was essentially a process in order to instil a more work-oriented team as opposed to just pure speed and skill. He wanted to emphasize hard work when he adopted a grinding style, and it worked well at the end of the season. He modified the system to completely sweep the Lightning in the playoffs. I have no clue what issue you have with the system at this point.

I can't comprehend how you don't believe you're nitpicking when you wrote 8 reasons why you criticized Therrien. I'm glad you like how we played in the playoffs, because I think it was a great series with fantastic coaching and teamwork from the Habs. They executed every game plan to a tee. It was fun to watch.
1- I guess you didn't follow as much as you think then. Either that or your memory is not as good as mine. In any event, the Therrien vs PK debate was on full force for most of the year, really, where have you been? And yes, a lot of it was created by our own coach publicly bashing and flat out blaming PK for losses.
I usually don't like to dig up things that clearly happened for posters that seemed to have missed it, you can do your own homework. But I'll make an exception this time:
http://www.rds.ca/vid%C3%A9os/deshar...assez-3.885785

''2 mauvaises executions par un defenseur (PK Subban) et c'est dommage, dans le fond c'est ca qui a couté le match'' (paraphrasing but feel free to watch the video).
In case you don't speak french, in a nutshell, Therrien says there were 2 poorly executed plays by a Dman (PK) and that's what cost them the game.
This wasn't the only time either. He did it a few times.
So laugh all you want, but you just proved that you really have nothing to add to this particular question.


2- So much fail in this point, I don't know where to start. Plekanec had the most ice time, therefore, I put him #1. Pretty simple stuff. Also, you said DD is better offensively, well, every time Plekanec had the benefits of playing with our best wingers, he outproduced DD. But let me guess, in your mind, you think comparing the player who gets used as the main shutdown guy, toughest match ups, toughest responsibilities, weaker wingers, to the guy that gets put in a way more favorable position to produce is fair?? Therrien decided to construct our lines the way he did and he established a role for each one. Looking at the team, he felt that was the best way to optimize his roster. It has nothing to do with him thinking DD is the best offensive center.
As for the rest, I mean you contradict yourself so badly. Again, the stats are there for you to see. Eller produced on the EGG line. They were split up because the rest of the team wasn't producing and we were around .500 mark. So when they went into their own little funk (as most trios do) Gallagher was moved. Still, Eller and Galy kept producing at about .5 while seeing their ice time drop. Then Galy was moved up to play with Plek and Gio because Bourque/Bournival/Briere just couldn't quite cut it (at least not for Therrien), and then Eller's production dropped completely and his PP time vanished. That's what happened. People really have bad memories. I'm not saying Eller doesn't share some responsibilities. He does. But to suggest Eller was in a complete funk and that's why players were moved is just flat out wrong.
And funny you say Therrien instilled a ''work for your chances'' attitude when DD was garbage and freely got to play with Galla-MaxPac. He hadn't earned jack crap.
I mean really dude, you're making me wonder if you followed this team at all during the season.

3- I would have liked to see Galchenyuk be used at center more, and we could have done it for a good while with DD playing like crap to start, and definitely during the exhibition games which is the right way to start imo. I don't think it's the end of the world. But it's something I would have liked.

4- Dude. There is no simplest thing to understand. Therrien oversees everything. If his assistant cannot fix a problem, then he needs to step in and fix it himself. I mean really, not sure how this is difficult for you to understand. What's funny here is that our ES play during the season was crap too, but nobody wants to admit that. For the PP, it's not his fault. Let me guess though, we have no issues to credit him for the PK?
Therrien is responsible for everything. He delegates. If the person he appointed to a role is failing, then he needs to step in. He's failed in fixing the PP.

5- Sure, at the end of the day, results are the only thing that matter. But when you are trying to analyze how a team actually performed, then you need to dig in much deeper than just the standings. They don't tell the whole story and can be influenced by a number of factors that are completely irrelevant to coaching (like injuries, scheduling, timing, luck...).
When you look at the overall season, no, the team was not structurally strong, and if it wasn't obvious for you when watching, then the basic stats should have helped you raise doubts in your analysis, and if that wasn't enough, then the advanced stats should surely have turned your doubts into reality. If you choose to ignore all of that, then you're just being a fan, and there's nothing wrong with that. But don't try to get into a discussion after.
We are not playing now like we did most of the year. That's just a cold hard fact. You will never be able to prove otherwise. All you can really do is keep a blind eye and ignore the very telling stats.

6- Now I'm definitely convinced you haven't followed the team at all.
Plek has one of his worst productive years. PK regressed. Galla-Galy stayed the course but they're sophomores and didn't strike me as the ''sophomore jinx'' type, and they weren't, but they didn't improve. Gionta regressed and is now a 3rd liner. Briere one of his worst seasons. Diaz regressed. Eller regressed. Moen regressed. Emelin has not improved in any way. Bourque career low. Prust regressed.
By regression, I mean compared to last year.
I mean seriously dude..did you follow anything this year??

8- I have no problem with the system we used in the POs. We played completely differently in the season. If you can't see the difference then you either didn't watch much of the season (which is what I'm thinking seeing how you have such a poor recollection of what happened this year) or you just don't know or pay much attention to what is really going on during games.


I listed 8 things I didn't like from Therrien. You tried to counter them but seriously, you've failed miserably. A simple ''I don't care about any of this, I just look at the W column'' would have made more sense.

I don't have much of an issue with Therrien, overall I think he's done a pretty good job since joining us for the 2nd time. So really, I have no reason to nitpick anything. As I said before, why would I criticize him for this season and then also say I think he's done a pretty good job overall?? Really. Why?
I'm not biased, I have no issues giving 2nd chances and I'm pretty patient. Also, I'm more than willing to admit being wrong. But I'm not wrong about a thing here.

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