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Iain Fyffe
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Originally Posted by Canadiens1958 View Post
A defining characteristic is not required. The definition has to be open and fluid to allow for changes in society. MMA was not a consideration when Guay penned his book yet the definition of sport is open and fluid to include MMA. This validates the definition Guay makes.
Guay's definition is open and fluid enough to include things that he calls games rather than sports, such as the traditional games of hurling, bandy, etc. As such, it is not useful. The fact that a new sport that comes along meets the definition means nothing and does not validate it, because new "games" can come along and also meet it.

Are you suggesting that if the definition was more precise, MMA would have been excluded? Let's say we added my suggestion of refining what a stake is, and your suggestion of including the entertainment spectators. MMA would meet both of these, and would still be a sport.

What definition of sport do you think would include early professional hockey, but exclude MMA?

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Bolded. Guay is proposing a series of tests that determine a sport. Sophisticated litmus test might be an appropriate description.
You're still missing the point. If each of the six characteristics can apply to both a game and a sport, then they cannot be tests to determine which is it. You can go through each one and tick off the "yes" box, and it might still be a game by his intent. There's nothing preventing a bunch of pond hockeyists from writing down a few rules and then playing in a sportsmanlike manner. They'd meet all the checkmarks; is it then a sport?

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