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Originally Posted by vadim sharifijanov View Post
but without the still missing third part, none of that constitutes an actual argument. they are just preconditions for an argument that hasn't yet been made.
You are right. Here's my attempt at an educated guess (not more, not less) based on the available stats (yes, another argument based on stats and not on observation):

Gordie Howe's scoring dominance over his peers in his best six seasons (PPG). Howe vs the second best scorer. For the benefit of Howe I exclude his teammate Ted Lindsay whose scoring might have been inflated by Howe himself.

1950-1951
2. Maurice Richard 66/65 = 100 %
1. Gordie Howe 86/70 = 121.0 %

1951-1952
2. Elmer Lach 65/70 = 100 %
1. Gordie Howe 86/70 = 132.3 %

1952-1953
2. Maurice Richard 61/70 = 100 %
1. Gordie Howe 95/70 = 155.7 %

1953-1954
2. Maurice Richard 67/70 = 100 %
1. Gordie Howe 81/70 = 117.3 %

1956-1957
2. Jean Beliveau 84/69 = 100 %
1. Gordie Howe 89/70 = 104.4 %

1962-1963
2. Andy Bathgate 81/70 = 100 %
1. Gordie Howe 86/70 = 106.2 %

Now the same thing for Jágr, but excluding non-Canadians to look at Jágr vs the Canadian talent pool only. Also excluded: Ron Francis (teammate), Mario Lemieux (teammate and historic outlier).

1995-1996
2. Eric Lindros 115/73 = 100 %
1. Jaromír Jágr 149/82 = 115.3 %

1996-1997
2. Paul Kariya 99/69 = 100%
1. Jaromír Jágr 95/63 = 105.1 %

1997-1998
2. Wayne Gretzky 90/82 = 100 %
1. Jaromír Jágr 102/77 = 120.7 %

1998-1999
2. Joe Sakic 96/73 = 100 %
1. Jaromír Jágr 127/81 = 119.2 %

1999-2000
2. Joe Sakic 81/60 = 100 %
1. Jaromír Jágr 96/63 = 112.9 %

2000-2001
2. Joe Sakic 118/82 = 100 %
1. Jaromír Jágr 121/81 = 103.8 %

What this table does not factor in is the change within the Canadian talent pool. We're not able to quantify the size exactly, but if we go by numbers of birth in Canada for a start and assume the level of hockey participation throughout the Canadian population remained more or less on one level from the 1950s to the 1990s then the talent pool in Jágr's day is to the talent pool in Howe's day roughly as 4,105,000 (births 1961-1971) is to 2,415,000 (births 1921-1931) or 1.7 : 1. That's a significant difference. It's easy to see how someone who believes size of the talent pool matters could put Jágr on par with or a little above Howe in terms of scoring dominance based on those numbers, except for his outstanding 1952-1953 season. Mind you, we're only talking about offensive output, not overall game.

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