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03-07-2004, 10:28 AM
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Darcy's drafting records

I've read all these posts about Darcy, both good and bad. However, one thing I read that ticked me off was how bad is draft record has been. I completely disagree. If you land 2 NHLers out of any draft its a good draft. If you land more than that, its a great draft.

Now, Darcy hasn't found any stars, but he found players.

take a look:
1997
21 G Mika Noronen Good pick
48 D Henrik Tallinder Great pick
69 RW Maxim Afinogenov Fantastic value pick and a good player
75 F Jeff Martin
101 D Luc Theoret injuries stopped a good AHL career
128 L Torrey DiRoberto
156 D Brian Campbell Great value pick
184 L Jeremy Adduono
212 C Kamil Piros A part time NHL player in Atlanta
238 D Dylan Kemp

1998
18 D Dmitri Kalinin Fantastic pick, the guy in front of me at that draft b%@#*ed after the pick was made
34 LW Andrew Peters Took a long time but Andrew is an NHL enforcer
47 RW Norm Milley OK pick, but he'll never to an NHL regular
50 RW Jaroslav Kristek Hey, he had talent but no HEART, tough to measure that
77 F Mike Pandolfo
137 LW Aaron Goldade
164 RW Ales Kotalik a great pick, and the team was patient with him
191 C Brad Moran people complained when we didn't sign him, a career AHLer
218 LW David Moravec
249 RW Edo Terglav

1999
20 L Barrett Heisten Bad pick he passed on Havlat, can you say, what were you thinking?
35 L Milan Bartovic he can play in the NHL, a 3rd / 4th liner
55 D Doug Janik maybe a 5 / 6 defesemen in NHL
64 C Mike Zigomanis He's a future NHL player, likely a 4th line center
73 L Tim Preston
117 R Karel Mosovsky a gritty player who can't stay healthy
138 G Ryan Miller future #1 goalie
146 D Matt Kinch
178 R Seneque Hyacinthe
206 R Brett DeCecco
235 C Brad Self
263 R Craig Brunel

2000
15 F Artem Kryukov passed on too many solid player to pick a risk. I though they could have gotten him trading down but let's wait 1 more year
48 D Gerard DiCaire totally wasted pick
111 G Ghyslain Rousseau
149 D Denis Denisov there's still a chance for Denis, a small chance but
213 W Vasily Bizyayev
220 C/LW Paul Gaustad a fantastic value pick, he will play in nNHL on a 4th line some day
258 RW Sean McMorrow Great value and he may play in the NHL
277 C Ryan Courtney

2001
]22 C Jiri Novotny I never liked this pick, still don't but let's wait
32 C Derek Roy Fanastic pick
50 C Chris Thorburn Not sure if he'll be and NHLer or an AHLer
55 R Jason Pominville definately an NHL player
155 F Michal Vondrka
234 D Calle Aslund
247 LW Marek Dubec
279 D Ryan Jorde

2002
11 D Keith Ballard Great pick, perhaps a future #1 defensemen but a bad trade!
20 C Daniel Paille future NHL captain
76 LW Michael Tessier
82 D John Adams
108 R Jakub Hulva
121 G Marty Magers
178 W Maxim Sheviev
208 D Radoslav Hecl
241 D Dennis Wideman
271 D Martin Cizek

2003
5 W Thomas Vanek Future star winger
65 W Branislav Fabry has a strong upside
74 C Clarke MacArthur could be a third of forth liner at best
106 D Jan Hejda
114 D Denis Ezhov
150 D Thomas Morrow
172 D Pavel Voroshnin
202 D Nathan Paetsch
235 G Jeff Weber
266 W Louis-Philippe Martin keep your eye on him, he can play, small crafty player


We got 4/5 NHLers from 1997, 3 from 1998, 1999 will yield 1 and maybe 2 others, 2000 was a horrible draft maybe saved by 2 later round players, 2001 looks like a great draft 3 2nd rounders all who can play, 2002 looks ok, too bad we traded Ballard, 2003 looks good.

My draft grades
1997 - A
1998 - B
1999 - C+
2000 - F
2001 - A
2002 - C+
2003 - B

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Great post. I'd like to add that it is a lot harder to determine how good an 18 year old kid will become than it would be if the draft age was raised to 21 years of age. (The draft age was lowered years ago when the WHA was first created as the NHL didn't want to see all the young talent start off in a rival league).
For the Sabres to get that many players through the entry draft is commendable. We weren't the only team to pass on a guy like Havlat, or even Zach Parise last year. In fact, at last year's draft, there were a lot of questions regarding players even in the top 5, including Vanek's skating ability. Unfounded or not, not many teams draft as well as the Sabres.

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True enough about the late round picks,but you can't always be crapping out in the first round.Some of our first round picks not only haven't played a game in Buffalo some will never even be in the NHL.Too many Heisten's,Kriukov's and Novotny's for my liking,

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Great post. Denis Ezhov might be a quality pick. The kid was highly thought of before the year began. Hopefully next season he'll find his form. Keep an eye out for him as well.

Speaking of the draft...I too made it to the arena in 98. When the Sabres were on the clock, a couple of fans in front of me had hard-ons for Gagne. As a matter of fact one of the guys even said before the draft started that Gagne was their man and that he had heard from a reliable source. Dmitri was ranked as the top European player that year. For some reason I just knew Kalinin would fall to Buffalo. Just one of those things I guess.

Overall the draft was a great experience. On our way out, I bumped into Rico Fata. He was standing near the arena entrance signing autographs with his Flames jersey on. The guy was so excited he could barely talk.

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Great post. I'd like to add that it is a lot harder to determine how good an 18 year old kid will become than it would be if the draft age was raised to 21 years of age. (The draft age was lowered years ago when the WHA was first created as the NHL didn't want to see all the young talent start off in a rival league).
For the Sabres to get that many players through the entry draft is commendable. We weren't the only team to pass on a guy like Havlat, or even Zach Parise last year. In fact, at last year's draft, there were a lot of questions regarding players even in the top 5, including Vanek's skating ability. Unfounded or not, not many teams draft as well as the Sabres.
I don't think you can judge 1999 and beyond yet, still too early.

For example, everyone wrote off Kriukov. He shows up in camp and impresses, and everyone looks at him differently. When kids are young, they will make dramatic improvements.

The Heisten pick wasn't that bad, because we got a 2nd rounder for him. The effect of the Rigas perhaps forcing the hand of Regier to take NCAA and European players may never be known, too.

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Sweet thread.

And reminding me that Regs passed on Havlat for Heisten makes me think letting my gf go to Mexico on spring break without me wasn't such a bad decision.

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Sweet thread.

And reminding me that Regs passed on Havlat for Heisten makes me think letting my gf go to Mexico on spring break without me wasn't such a bad decision.
You do have a point there. WHAT was Regs thinking. ANd WHAT WERE YOU THINKING letting your gf go to mexico on spring break with out you. I think i know where this story is going, but what happened?

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Imo, you can't really judge Darcy on the draft. Most of his decisions come from the scouting staff. I was watching an inside look of the Rangers at the draft, and they showed Glen Sather just sitting there listening to all the scouts and picked based on their opinions. Obviously Darcy has input on how he wants to mold his hockey club, but he basically takes the information from his scouting staff.

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1997 - A
1998 - B
1999 - C+
2000 - F
2001 - A
2002 - C+
2003 - B

I guess we're due for an 'F' for 2004....

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Imo, you can't really judge Darcy on the draft. Most of his decisions come from the scouting staff. I was watching an inside look of the Rangers at the draft, and they showed Glen Sather just sitting there listening to all the scouts and picked based on their opinions. Obviously Darcy has input on how he wants to mold his hockey club, but he basically takes the information from his scouting staff.

I agree, Don Luce and company really deserve the credit and the critisism but who tends to get the blame? The GM, so therefore he also has to get credit for drafts held on his watch.

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the only thing i would say is that the dicaire pick wasn't a waste
he almost make the lightning out of camp (so says thn future watch)
his ahl stats aren't so hot, but i was always very high on dicaire and disappointed when buffalo didn't sign him

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the only thing i would say is that the dicaire pick wasn't a waste
he almost make the lightning out of camp (so says thn future watch)
his ahl stats aren't so hot, but i was always very high on dicaire and disappointed when buffalo didn't sign him

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Nice post.

Personally, I think Wideman has good potential, though.

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