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08-01-2007, 02:33 PM
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A simple question with a complicated answer. The Rangers can afford to have a 23 man roster, but you want to leave yourself room to make some changes at the trade deadline if necessary...and if a guy is just sitting on your roster taking space and not playing, then there's less value there.

The challenge is that there are few players who can be sent to Hartford without clearing waivers, so I suspect we'll see 8 defensemen kept, with Strudwick having the added bonus of being able to play 4th line forward if necessary.

I think for Staal to make the line-up, he'll have to have a very strong camp and force the Rangers to move one of their veteran d-men...either down to Hartford or via trade. There's one spot open at the moment at forward, though it could be a wing or center at this point.
That's true. I haven't considered that Strudwick, Pock, Hutchinson, and Liffiton would have to clear waivers, but I don't see any of them as the type of player where you worry about losing them on waivers. If any of them can't earn a spot in camp, then I don't think they have a future with the organization.

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But given Renney's coaching style, I doubt we're going to see a 23-man roster. Renney has shown that he's not one to constantly shuffle players in and out of the lineup. He has his top 18 skaters, and the rest are going to sit 9 times out of 10. It doesn't make much sense to carry more than one spare forward and one spare d-man when we're so close to the cap and the spares won't play anyway.
Counter that though with Sather's reluctancy to just waive players...so unless the Rangers are planning on sending Girardi and Callahan back to the AHL, I suspect they'll either make a trade or start the season with 23 guys...

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Counting everybody and everything, they are committed to approximately $53.5 million in salaries and bonuses for this season. That assumes Marc Staal and Ryan Callahan are on the team, with Jason Strudwick as the 13th forward/swingman and Stephen Valiquette as the backup goalie (which apparently is the plan.) It also counts the $2.8 million in bonuses Brendan Shanahan easily will earn and the $2.989 million for cap purposes that is due Darius Kasparaitis.

As that is less than 10 percent over the $50.3 million cap, the Rangers are in offseason compliance.

Kasparaitis will go back to Hartford before the season begins, knocking the number down to approximately $50.5 million. But as Shanahan's bonus money can be deferred (if it takes the Rangers over the cap by season's end, the difference will be deducted from their cap space for 2008-09), the team cap number drops further to $47.7 million.

The Rangers would like to keep it there, as it gives them wiggle room should in-season events require an acquisition
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08-01-2007, 07:36 PM
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Ive been really impressed with how sather has handled the cap this offseason...the only thing I could see that could hammer you guys wiggle room would be someone claiming Kasper on waivers, but I dont know if any other Gms think in vindictive terms such as that... maybe Lou

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Ive been really impressed with how sather has handled the cap this offseason...the only thing I could see that could hammer you guys wiggle room would be someone claiming Kasper on waivers, but I dont know if any other Gms think in vindictive terms such as that... maybe Lou
If Kasper is claimed going to the minors it doesn't affect the Rangers at all, it's only if he gets claimed coming back that he counts against the cap


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Assume that:
Kaspar is traded or assigned to Hartford
That Peca is signed for 2 M
That Marc Staal makes the roster (if it is meant - necessary - to be a 23 man roster)
8 defensemen are on the roster - not 14 forwards

Would this 23 man lineup not be possible - at least capspace wise?

PlayerCap Number
Gomez 7.357
Drury 7.05
Shanahan5.3*
Jagr 4.94
Straka 3.3
Peca 2.0
Prucha 1.6
Hossa 0.78
Betts 0.615
Callahan 0.575
Orr 0.538
Hollweg 0.513
Mara 3
Malik 2.5
Rozsival 2.1
Tyutin 0.988
Staal 0.82667
Girardi 0.75**
Pock 0.668
Hutchinson0.475
Lundqvist4.25
Valiquette 0.618
Total52.642304
Cap maximum 50.3
Remaining-2.342304
Bonuses3
Total less Bonuses49.642304
Remaining less Bonuses0.657696
*Shanahan's contract contains an additional $2.8 mil in performance bonuses.
**Girardi's contract contains $200k in performance bonuses.

All performance bonuses count against the cap this year. A team can exceed the salary cap by $3.77 mil (7.5% of the cap) to pay these performance bonuses, but any excess will be dead cap space for the 08-09 season.

Other Notable Contracts (not counted towards the above total):
PlayerCap Number
Montoya1.834*
Korpikoski1.018
Anisimov0.85
Bourret0.85
Moore0.725
Dubinsky0.633
Byers0.608
Liffiton0.579
Baranka0.522
Barnes0.517
Strudwick 0.5
Dawes0.496
*Montoya's contract contains $850k in performance bonuses.

The layout to the above table & stats are btw courtesy of Kodiak

By taking Montoya up to The Rangers halfway through the year - he would then ? not be awarded bonuses and will lessen the cap hit by then replacing Valiquette.

Any injuries on the squad would be replaced by young Wolfpackers - lessening cap hit then and there

Good depth on this squad. Replace Hutchinsson with Strudwick. Really does not matter imo.

If some regular player against expectations underachieves throughout season - they can be dealt at the deadline for whatever is deamt necessary then.

The squad could be 22 man as well.

And signing Peca is an option that is a bit risky injurywise - but adds exprience and grit for a real run

Prucha - Gomez - Jagr
Straka - Drury - Shannahan
Avery - Peca - Callahan
Hossa - Betts - Orr or Hollweg

Malik- Roszival
Mara - Staal
Tyutin - Girardi

res Pock + Hutchinsson

The King
Valiquette

Looks good - unless Henrik goes down...

Thoughts?


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08-02-2007, 04:22 AM
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Can someone post our final cap number including the Avery and Hossa contracts please?

im assumign we're around the 49m mark but wanted to double check...

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08-02-2007, 04:37 AM
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Can someone post our final cap number including the Avery and Hossa contracts please?

im assumign we're around the 49m mark but wanted to double check...
Just subtract 2 million (that I assumed it would cost to sign Mike Peca as an UFA - but this is far from certain from happening at all + pricewise) from the above roster and you have about 2.6 million left.
This is however also assuming Kaspar is no longer on the squad (he otherwise adds 2.989 M) and that Hutchinsson or Strudwick make the team as an 8th defender (also not necessarily certain)
So there is up to 3 million left in space at the moment on a 21 man roster.
Also assuming Valiquette is the backup - not Montoya.
A plethora of possibilities in other words

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Detroit is the market for a veteran defenseman.They need to replace Dany Markov

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Wings GM Ken Holland said yesterday that he spoke to the agent for defenseman Danny Markov a week ago but nothing is happening.

"He told me what he's looking for; we're not even close to that,'' Holland said. "Right now, we're satisfied with our defense. We'd like to have Danny back, but if he signs somewhere else, we're comfortable.''

He said he'd like to add some depth on defense, but only at the right price. He offered Markov a two-year deal at the draft in June, apparently at around the same $2.5 million-a-year salary he earned last season.

"He told me the salary range he's looking for. We don't have any interest in that salary range,'' Holland said
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Malik makes $2.5 million and Mara makes $3 million

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Detroit is the market for a veteran defenseman.They need to replace Dany Markov



http://blog.mlive.com/redwingsinside...h_updates.html

Malik makes $2.5 million and Mara makes $3 million
I'd be over the moon if we shifted Malik to the West. Im not a big fan and i am confident that Staal can already do what Malik does. I know its a risk and it would leave us short on experience at the back but even with little experience at the back, the Sharks had a very good year last year without a talent such as Staal....

Go on Mr Holland give us a 2rd pick for Malik!!!

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Assume that:
Kaspar is traded or assigned to Hartford
That Peca is signed for 2 M
That Marc Staal makes the roster (if it is meant - necessary - to be a 23 man roster)
8 defensemen are on the roster - not 14 forwards

Would this 23 man lineup not be possible - at least capspace wise?

PlayerCap Number
Gomez 7.357
Drury 7.05
Shanahan5.3*
Jagr 4.94
Straka 3.3
Peca 2.0
Prucha 1.6
Hossa 0.78
Betts 0.615
Callahan 0.575
Orr 0.538
Hollweg 0.513
Mara 3
Malik 2.5
Rozsival 2.1
Tyutin 0.988
Staal 0.82667
Girardi 0.75**
Pock 0.668
Hutchinson0.475
Lundqvist4.25
Valiquette 0.618
Total52.642304
Cap maximum 50.3
Remaining-2.342304
Bonuses3
Total less Bonuses49.642304
Remaining less Bonuses0.657696
*Shanahan's contract contains an additional $2.8 mil in performance bonuses.
**Girardi's contract contains $200k in performance bonuses.

All performance bonuses count against the cap this year. A team can exceed the salary cap by $3.77 mil (7.5% of the cap) to pay these performance bonuses, but any excess will be dead cap space for the 08-09 season.

Other Notable Contracts (not counted towards the above total):
PlayerCap Number
Montoya1.834*
Korpikoski1.018
Anisimov0.85
Bourret0.85
Moore0.725
Dubinsky0.633
Byers0.608
Liffiton0.579
Baranka0.522
Barnes0.517
Strudwick 0.5
Dawes0.496
*Montoya's contract contains $850k in performance bonuses.

The layout to the above table & stats are btw courtesy of Kodiak

By taking Montoya up to The Rangers halfway through the year - he would then ? not be awarded bonuses and will lessen the cap hit by then replacing Valiquette.

Any injuries on the squad would be replaced by young Wolfpackers - lessening cap hit then and there

Good depth on this squad. Replace Hutchinsson with Strudwick. Really does not matter imo.

If some regular player against expectations underachieves throughout season - they can be dealt at the deadline for whatever is deamt necessary then.

The squad could be 22 man as well.

And signing Peca is an option that is a bit risky injurywise - but adds exprience and grit for a real run

Prucha - Gomez - Jagr
Straka - Drury - Shannahan
Avery - Peca - Callahan
Hossa - Betts - Orr or Hollweg

Malik- Roszival
Mara - Staal
Tyutin - Girardi

res Pock + Hutchinsson

The King
Valiquette

Looks good - unless Henrik goes down...

Thoughts?
You don't have Avery in your calculations. Put in his 1.9 and you're over the max we can spend.

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08-02-2007, 09:07 AM
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Can someone post our final cap number including the Avery and Hossa contracts please?

im assumign we're around the 49m mark but wanted to double check...
Check the first post of the thread.

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I'm thrown by some numbers.

Shanny and Danny's Bonus totals is 3 million

you keep referring to 3.4+ million.

am I missing something or what am I not understanding from this?

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I'm thrown by some numbers.

Shanny and Danny's Bonus totals is 3 million

you keep referring to 3.4+ million.

am I missing something or what am I not understanding from this?
That number comes from the $3 mil in bonuses and the fact that we are under the cap by ~$400k. Put them together and you get how much we can potentially spend this year, though some of that will be eaten up by another forward.

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48,341,310 - 1,958,690 free

Is what BB is reporting the Rangers at, not including Kaspar.

Care to elaborate?

http://ordinaryleastsquare.typepad.c...shirtbulletin/

This is getting confusing. So many different methods of projecting the cap. So many what ifs.

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48,341,310 - 1,958,690 free

Is what BB is reporting the Rangers at, not including Kaspar.

Care to elaborate?

http://ordinaryleastsquare.typepad.c...shirtbulletin/

This is getting confusing. So many different methods of projecting the cap. So many what ifs.
It all depends on who you count on the final roster. I get a similar number if I include Pock, Staal, Strudwick, and Dubinsky or Dawes on the roster. Bear in mind that my cap number is for those 21 players listed in the first table. I'd expect at least one more forward to be added by opening day.

If you look at my "Permutations" post and the min-max figures, you'll see that BB's numbers are in my range, once you factor in Shanahan's bonuses, which BB excluded.

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It all depends on who you count on the final roster. I get a similar number if I include Pock, Staal, Strudwick, and Dubinsky or Dawes on the roster. Bear in mind that my cap number is for those 21 players listed in the first table. I'd expect at least one more forward to be added by opening day.

If you look at my "Permutations" post and the min-max figures, you'll see that BB's numbers are in my range, once you factor in Shanahan's bonuses, which BB excluded.
Yeah, i see.

I've been following yours the whole time anyhow, so i'm sticking with it. Thanks.

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Larry Brooks ran some numbers today

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The Blueshirts are just under $49 million on the $50.3 million season salary cap. Their 23-player roster includes two goaltenders; eight defensemen (Marc Staal, Jason Strudwick and Andrew Hutchinson in, Thomas Pock out); and 13 forwards (Artem Anisimov, Ryan Callahan, Marcel Hossa, Ryan Hollweg and Colton Orr in, Brandon Dubinsky and Nigel Dawes out.)
http://www.nypost.com/seven/08022007...rry_brooks.htm

Hutchinson over Pock?The Rangers would save less than $200,000 with that exchange and Pock is signed a decent two year deal

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You don't have Avery in your calculations. Put in his 1.9 and you're over the max we can spend.
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You are both Right and wrong
I entirely missed inserting his (Averys) name - but his 1,9 M is actually included in my total sum. I just (whewwww) double checked this twice.
So my numbers are actually correct. Which is good.
But my table was not (ie it did not include Avery though his salary was there)
Thanx for correcting me here.

The total Cap space is still then 657.696 USD if we sign someone as 3rd line center for 2.000.000 USD (I speculated on Peca) and we have the 23 man roster as I showed below (13 forwards, 8 defensemen and 2 goalies). Whoever is put in the final positions is anyones best guess.

But the lines I showed are still possible to attain.

This is a better scenario -
For all Rangers fans

PlayerCap Number
Gomez 7.357
Drury 7.05
Shanahan5.3*
Jagr 4.94
Straka 3.3
Peca 2.0
Avery 1.9
Prucha 1.6
Hossa 0.78
Betts 0.615
Callahan 0.575
Orr 0.538
Hollweg 0.513
Mara 3
Malik 2.5
Rozsival 2.1
Tyutin 0.988
Staal 0.82667
Girardi 0.75**
Pock 0.668
Hutchinson0.475
Lundqvist4.25
Valiquette 0.618
Total52.643.670
Cap maximum 50.300.000
Remaining-2.343.670
Bonuses3.000.000
Total less Bonuses49.643.670
Remaining less Bonuses657.696

*Shanahan's contract contains an additional $2.8 mil in performance bonuses.
**Girardi's contract contains $200k in performance bonuses.

All performance bonuses count against the cap this year. A team can exceed the salary cap by $3.77 mil (7.5% of the cap) to pay these performance bonuses, but any excess will be dead cap space for the 08-09 season.

Other Notable Contracts (not counted towards the above total):
PlayerCap Number
Kasparitus2.989333
Montoya1.834*
Korpikoski1.018
Anisimov0.85
Bourret0.85
Moore0.725
Dubinsky0.633
Byers0.608
Liffiton0.579
Baranka0.522
Barnes0.517
Strudwick 0.5
Dawes0.496
*Montoya's contract contains $850k in performance bonuses.

STILL POSSIBLE LINEUP

Prucha - Gomez - Jagr
Straka - Drury - Shannahan
Avery - Peca - Callahan
Hossa - Betts - Orr or Hollweg


Malik- Roszival
Mara - Staal
Tyutin - Girardi


res Pock + Hutchinsson

The King
Valiquette


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The Rangers have 47 NHL contracts which includes Bobby Saguinetti.When he is sent back to Brampton,his contract will not count against the 50 contract limit

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This is getting confusing. So many different methods of projecting the cap. So many what ifs.
Exactly ... which is why, even though I'm doing it on my site, I'm hating it - because there's absolutely no way to know exactly what every team's Opening Night roster is going to look like.

That said ...
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The Blueshirts are just under $49 million on the $50.3 million season salary cap. Their 23-player roster includes two goaltenders; eight defensemen (Marc Staal, Jason Strudwick and Andrew Hutchinson in, Thomas Pock out); and 13 forwards (Artem Anisimov, Ryan Callahan, Marcel Hossa, Ryan Hollweg and Colton Orr in, Brandon Dubinsky and Nigel Dawes out.)
Pock would have to clear waivers to get down to Hartford ... if he's going, is Girardi the 8th defenseman? Does he really think Pock will clear going down?

And how does he figure that's only $49 million - because picking who [I'm 95% sure] he's picking, it adds up to $51,323,810 - of which $3.1 million is potential bonuses.

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Check the Cap Rules - Girardi's Bonus Can't Be Deferred

Girardi's 200K bonus exactly as salary because he is under 35. It is not the same as Shanahan's - which allows the Rangers to exceed the limit and defer to next year.

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Exactly ... which is why, even though I'm doing it on my site, I'm hating it - because there's absolutely no way to know exactly what every team's Opening Night roster is going to look like.

That said ...

Pock would have to clear waivers to get down to Hartford ... if he's going, is Girardi the 8th defenseman? Does he really think Pock will clear going down?

And how does he figure that's only $49 million - because picking who [I'm 95% sure] he's picking, it adds up to $51,323,810 - of which $3.1 million is potential bonuses.
Do you have Kasparitis in there? Because he's not going to play this year for the big club.

This really isn't for this thread, but I'll say it anyways... Kodiak, we dont need a 3rd line center. Dubi/Ansiminov can take that and be at worst, decent. I'm not opposed to trying the kids in that spot. If it proves a problem, we can always make a trade. I also think having 600,000 is cutting matters way, way too tight.


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Girardi's 200K bonus exactly as salary because he is under 35. It is not the same as Shanahan's - which allows the Rangers to exceed the limit and defer to next year.
As far as I know, all performance bonuses are treated the same. Do you have a link for where you read this rule?

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Girardi's 200K bonus exactly as salary because he is under 35. It is not the same as Shanahan's - which allows the Rangers to exceed the limit and defer to next year.
For the 112,006th time ... it doesn't matter how old the person is. Girardi's bonus is just that - a bonus. It's just like Shanahan's bonuses - they're not guaranteed, but because they can potentially be hit they're included in the player's averaged salary. If/when the bonuses become unreachable, then they come off - but if the team goes over because of bonuses, the amount by which they go over gets applied to the following year. It doesn't matter who caused it that determines whether the overage gets carried - it's the fact that the team ended the season over the Upper Limit that does.

When someone finds the paragraph in the CBA that shows there's a difference in when bonuses are deferred or not based on the player's age, let me know - because I've read Article 50 countless times and I've yet to see this distinction anywhere in there.

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Do you have Kasparitis in there? Because he's not going to play this year for the big club.
I've never counted Kasparaitis in the 2007-08 calculations. Never.

Here's who I've got:

PlayerPosAveraged Amt
GOMEZ, SCOTTF7,357,143
DRURY, CHRISF7,050,000
SHANAHAN, BRENDANF5,300,000
JAGR, JAROMIRF4,940,000
STRAKA, MARTINF3,300,000
AVERY, SEANF1,900,000
PRUCHA, PETRF1,600,000
ANISIMOV, ARTEMF850,000
HOSSA, MARCELF780,000
BETTS, BLAIRF615,000
CALLAHAN, RYANF575,000
ORR, COLTONF537,500
HOLLWEG, RYANF512,500
MARA, PAULD3,000,000
MALIK, MAREKD2,500,000
ROZSIVAL, MICHALD2,100,000
TYUTIN, FEDORD987,500
STAAL, MARCD826,667
GIRARDI, DANIELD750,000
STRUDWICK, JASOND500,000
HUTCHINSON, ANDREWD475,000
LUNDQVIST, HENRIKG4,250,000
VALIQUETTE, STEPHENG617,500
TOTAL 51,323,810

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