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08-02-2007, 07:02 PM
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It's not a final roster yet. Also, they have D-Men (along with other assets) that other teams are willing to trade superstars for.
Umm, which of those d-men are worth a superstar? Did you forget the sarcasm smily?

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08-02-2007, 07:11 PM
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Burke understands, and you apparently do not, that it is not inflationary to the overall salary structure, just to players in that age range. That's why he said that the contract was inflationary to players in that age range. Burke is understandably upset about this because it happens to be detrimental to his team. He's trying to insinuate that it's bad for every team in the league, when clearly that's not possible in a revenue-linked system. Some teams will be hurt by inflated salaries for RFAs - namely, those teams with attractive RFAs-to-be who happen to be near the cap or budgetary constraints. Other teams will be able to benefit from the change in RFA valuation - those without top-level RFAs to re-sign, and those with cap/budget space to spare. Burke clearly doesn't want to say this, however, because it would destroy his rant.
I enjoy that all I did was clarify what Burke said, but somehow I don't understand the concept.

Like I mentioned before, all I said was that the reporter who was posing the question didn't explain it as clearly as you and the previous poster did. Sometimes it's easier to read to comprehend versus listening to a reporter talk.

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08-02-2007, 07:23 PM
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Umm, which of those d-men are worth a superstar? Did you forget the sarcasm smily?
D-men are at a premium in this league. He's built (on paper) a pretty good defense. Plus there's the ones in the Minors.

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"Would be just as dumb as the team who offered it if I matched." Classic Burke.

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D-men are at a premium in this league. He's built (on paper) a pretty good defense. Plus there's the ones in the Minors.
So answer me this, which of those d-men are worth a superstar player?

Smid was part of a package to get Pronger so maybe him but not by himself.

Pitkanen's trade value was established... I wouldn't call Lupul or Smith superstars and he had to have extra packaged with him to bring that return.

Souray could've been had by anyone for nothing but cap space and everyone passed on him.

Staios, Grebeshkov, Tarnstrom and Greene have very little value, definitely not superstar player status value.

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08-02-2007, 07:45 PM
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So answer me this, which of those d-men are worth a superstar player?

...as much as I hate to answer a question with another question.

What teams don't have quality defensemen? Lots. There's absolutely no way that you're going to make a one for one deal for a superstar (if that what was implied). What teams have cap space problems with lots of money devoted to superstars and need to unload a superstar player? Tampa Bay comes to mind. Look how much money they have devoted to just a few players.

In the case of the Oilers, trades for a superstar player aren't going to be one for one. It will be a combination of players, minor leaguers, and draft picks which the Oilers have lots of all three.


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08-02-2007, 07:59 PM
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Pitkanen has all the ability in the world to develop into a superstar as soon as next season IMO.

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"Would be just as dumb as the team who offered it if I matched." Classic Burke.
That quote should be the answer to every argument the Oilers throw at us.

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08-02-2007, 08:10 PM
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Also, isn't it funny Burke calls Kevin Lowe classless when he signed Todd Burtuzzi? The player with the least class in the league which should be in jail.
Why should the league be in jail?

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08-02-2007, 08:40 PM
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I wonder where Edmonton fans get this illusion they are going to be solid next season. The only player who scored over 20 goals last year for them is the player they just got from us.

Top 10 pick here we come!

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08-02-2007, 08:49 PM
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So as millax posted, RFA salaries go up and, therefore, UFA salaries go down. Inflationary for RFAs, yes - for the league, no.
That is only true if every team spends exactly the same amount pre-post the RFA inflation. If a team that was stacked with talented RFAs that could have signed $40m total now has to spend $50m for them team, that's inflationary. This also causes secondary issues with revenue sharing.

Escrow is a seperate argument.

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08-02-2007, 08:52 PM
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You re absolutely right..... Anaheim loses Selanne, Neidemayer and Penner and their 70 goals and replace those key players on the run to the SCF with Schneider and Bertuzzi............ absent some other moves..... I predict 5th to 8th in the West for the Ducks

Personally I think O'Donnell, Huskins and Hnidy are STARS

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So answer me this, which of those d-men are worth a superstar player?

Smid was part of a package to get Pronger so maybe him but not by himself.

Pitkanen's trade value was established... I wouldn't call Lupul or Smith superstars and he had to have extra packaged with him to bring that return.

Souray could've been had by anyone for nothing but cap space and everyone passed on him.

Staios, Grebeshkov, Tarnstrom and Greene have very little value, definitely not superstar player status value.

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08-02-2007, 08:59 PM
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You re absolutely right..... Anaheim loses Selanne, Neidemayer and Penner and their 70 goals and replace those key players on the run to the SCF with Schneider and Bertuzzi............ absent some other moves..... I predict 5th to 8th in the West for the Ducks

Personally I think O'Donnell, Huskins and Hnidy are STARS
Anaheim has yet to lose either Selanne or Niedermayer. Also, they lose that, but guys like Getzlaf, Perry and so forth get a lot better as well. And, if both retire, Burke will make another move, likely to acquire a star forward to replace Selanne, like Marian Hossa.

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08-02-2007, 09:01 PM
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Anaheim has yet to lose either Selanne or Niedermayer. Also, they lose that, but guys like Getzlaf, Perry and so forth get a lot better as well. And, if both retire, Burke will make another move, likely to acquire a star forward to replace Selanne, like Marian Hossa.
...and if they don't, Burke is going to have to have a fire sale to get under cap. The only person on the team with a NTC is Giggy.

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08-02-2007, 09:03 PM
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You re absolutely right..... Anaheim loses Selanne, Neidemayer and Penner and their 70 goals and replace those key players on the run to the SCF with Schneider and Bertuzzi............ absent some other moves..... I predict 5th to 8th in the West for the Ducks

Personally I think O'Donnell, Huskins and Hnidy are STARS
What? 5th? Anaheim was like 2nd last season.

And additionally, you argument is awful. Losing a guy like Penner is small time for a GM like Burke. Players like Getzlaf and Perry will continue to improve, and if Selanne in fact retires, Burke will look for help via trade. The Ducks have some assets that they can move.

The defense is still top three, even without Niedermayer, so there's not a ton to worry about.

Anaheim will be right in the thick of things next season.

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...and if they don't, Burke is going to have to have a fire sale to get under cap.
Uh, no. Burke will simply dump spare parts like Marchant ($2.5M), Bryzgalov ($1.1M), and possibly O'Donnell ($1.2M) to acquire some assets and create some cap room for Selanne and Niedermayer. Nice try though.

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08-02-2007, 09:06 PM
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Uh, no. Burke will simply dump spare parts like Marchant ($2.5M), Bryzgalov ($1.1M), and possibly O'Donnell ($1.2M) to acquire some assets and create some cap room for Selanne and Niedermayer. Nice try though.
Like I said Fire Sale.

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Like I said Fire Sale.
Yeah, dumping their overpriced fourth line center, their backup goalie, and their #5 defenseman if Niedermayer comes back. Real firesale.

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Like I said Fire Sale.
Thats not a fire sale, but I know you are not going to listen to me. So I am going to stop typing now.

No wait some more:"Would be just as dumb as the team who offered it if I matched." Now only if the rest of his cc was like that.

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I wonder where Edmonton fans get this illusion they are going to be solid next season. The only player who scored over 20 goals last year for them is the player they just got from us.

Top 10 pick here we come!

Like I pointed out already in another thread, we have two.

And Anaheim only has 3 currently.

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Yeah, dumping their overpriced fourth line center, their backup goalie, and their #5 defenseman if Niedermayer comes back. Real firesale.
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Thats not a fire sale, but I know you are not going to listen to me. So I am going to stop typing now.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fire+sale

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Noun
1. fire sale - a sale of assets at very low prices typically when the seller faces bankruptcy

cut-rate sale, sales event, sale - an occasion (usually brief) for buying at specially reduced prices; "they held a sale to reduce their inventory"; "I got some great bargains at their annual sale"

2. fire sale - a sale of merchandise supposedly damaged by fire

cut-rate sale, sales event, sale - an occasion (usually brief) for buying at specially reduced prices; "they held a sale to reduce their inventory"; "I got some great bargains at their annual sale"

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You can't be serious.

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Burke about the picks: "Given Kevin's recent record, they should be excellent picks" - LOL
Funny too... not "the Oilers" recent record, but "Kevin's" recent record. True, but sounds like spilt milk to me.

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08-02-2007, 09:21 PM
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...and if they don't, Burke is going to have to have a fire sale to get under cap. The only person on the team with a NTC is Giggy.
Depends what Selanne wants. He likely will want a bit, but, there won't be a fire sale. Bryz has been on the block for a while for other reasons, and, I'm actually surprised that Marchant is still with the team. Not only because of his salary, but I'd figure Burke would try and get him back to the NE, as he has his cup now.

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08-02-2007, 09:24 PM
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He didn't dodge it at all. He all but said "duh".

The reporter was an idiot.
The reporter was an idiot only in so far as he let Burke off the hook... I still don't see how this is inflationary, except within an age bracket, and if that's the case, it's not really inflationary and doesn't hurt anyone.

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