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08-08-2007, 03:20 PM
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Yeah, it's a nice thought and I why I am upset that we jumped on boht Gomez and Drury. Personally, I think it would have been much smarter to take one of them, sign Nylander to a one year deal for more than he is worth and then go after a Hossa or Heatley next summer. I don't buy the whole Hossa can't do it in the playoffs thing. He is an amazing player and you want amazing players on your team.

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Yeah, it's a nice thought and I why I am upset that we jumped on boht Gomez and Drury. Personally, I think it would have been much smarter to take one of them, sign Nylander to a one year deal for more than he is worth and then go after a Hossa or Heatley next summer. I don't buy the whole Hossa can't do it in the playoffs thing. He is an amazing player and you want amazing players on your team.
I agree, I was watching some videos from last season and man can Nylander carry that puck around. I hope gomer can handle himself the same way.

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Yeah, it's a nice thought and I why I am upset that we jumped on boht Gomez and Drury. Personally, I think it would have been much smarter to take one of them, sign Nylander to a one year deal for more than he is worth and then go after a Hossa or Heatley next summer. I don't buy the whole Hossa can't do it in the playoffs thing. He is an amazing player and you want amazing players on your team.
But once again, you don't know if Hossa or Heatley will be available next summer. It's possible they never hit the market.

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Ottawa should definitely make sure Heatley doesn't make it to the market.

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Hossa's a nice player, but can we really afford to go out and sign another player to a long term contract?

If anything, I'd want a defenseman like that. Save up to tender a big offer sheet to Phaneuf or something.

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Ottawa should definitely make sure Heatley doesn't make it to the market.
And you would have to think that almost every team that has a star like a Heatley, Thornton, Lacavalier, Iginla... etc... definitely doesnt want them to hit the open market either because:

A. They want to keep them, because they are good.
B. Because they don't want to have to replace them, especially in the world of rising caps and FA demand.


Most of us were contemplating signing Thorton or Iginla once they went to FA. You can't wait. Thornton is signed and Iginla is next. You can't position yourself to fail in a dry market. Hossa might not even be available and if for some reason he is you can count on the fact that he is going to be paid. BIG.

This is why you have to take care and manage your own assets correctly. Then all of sudden Gomez and Drury fall into your lap.

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So is cherry the only expected offensive force that's in our system now?

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So is cherry the only expected offensive force that's in our system now?
who said that? Bourret could be a first liner.

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really...hmm...I have to go read the scouting report on him again because I thought I remembered them saying he was a second line guy


edit: Yeah I see, i misread top two line...

so that's two guys and then dawes maybe

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and i am officially 100% confused...damn can't you dumb that @#% down a little bit.
Read post #49.

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The cap will only decrease by 23% while player contracts are projected to rise 37%. By then, fan attendance will steadily decrease 1.8% after seeing a healthy 13.583% increase. This will leave Sather only a 78% targeting range for Marian, who is 24.8% older than Marcel.
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I would have been all for it until he did NOTHING in the playoffs this year, I know he had some kind of injury, but I don't think its a good signing.

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I would say yes if it weren't for Gomez and Drury. Hossa is one of the best players in the game.

however going after any player 150% is dangerous, you could get hurt. 75-80% is the most I would go.

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But once again, you don't know if Hossa or Heatley will be available next summer. It's possible they never hit the market.
That's true but I have always hated the concept in sports to go out and get the best of that particular year's free agent pool without considering future options and how the current decisions will affect your ability to be in on them.

Look at baseball for an example. How much money did Barry Zito and Gary Mathews make last fall? Neither of them deserve those types of contracts and both are clearly not elite players. But because there was no one deemed better for that particular year, teams threw ridiculous offers at them. How would you feel as a Giants fan when they can't go after a better pitcher like Santana (not saying they actually would) because they made their bed with Zito, who is half the pitcher? This is what I worry about down the road.

I hope I'm wrong and all the first line stars that would fit perfectly with this team are signed before they hit the market...i doubt it though.

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the greatest thing Jagr has done for this team since being here is shedding the label of being a one way player who doesn't care about the team game.
He did? When was this? I could have sworn that he still carries that label. I've never heard anything to the contrary about him at any point ever... last season or the season before that.

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What I am talking about is a balanced team that can get scoring from all it's lines. Right now, so much of this team's offensive is reliant of Jagr. And why not? He's one of the top three offensive players in the league. How do you find a player to replace that? You can't. I'd rather get two lesser players. I think that you and I are saying the same thing just a little differently.

I hated what I saw from Hossa this past playoffs. And to the point that they lacked playoff experience, they did as a team but not individually. They had guys like Holik, Tkachuk, de Vries, Kozlov and Mellanby. And if I recall correctly, they were the oldest team in the playoffs. I might be mistaken about that. They did run into a buzzsaw of team that played really well. But I don't consider 1 assists in 4 games, which were Hossa's numbers, as showing up for the playoffs.
The balanced team would be amazing, and I think acquisitions like Drury and Gomez and teh retaining of Prucha and Callahan are steps in that direction. Depending upon how well Bourret, Dawes, Dubinsky, and Asinimov play this year Hossa may be ruled out not because of skill, but because he simply is not needed. I like how the Rangers currently appear to be addressing their needs and not arbitrarily signing "big names". After Jagr's departure, perhaps another well chosen signing (i.e. Shanahan or Roszival) could make up the differnece without sacrificing a significant amount on one single All Star that could potentially handicap the Rangers' financially in the future. With that being said, I think this year will reveal alot in terms of the future for the team. I realize this statement can be made in regards to any season, but with so many potential young talents in the system, and players like Callahan and Prucha still proving their worth, this group of youngster have not simply the potential to aid the team this year in significant amounts, but set a precedent for the future, post-Jagr, Straka, and Shanny years.

I feel that, and I also think this season will reveal how much this team actually relies on Jagr for its scoring. Don't get me wrong, I think he'll still be our top scorer and by a long shot as well, but I expect 4-5 other players on the team to shoulder the load more than they did last year. Essentially, Straka, Shanahan, Prucha (hopefully) Gomez, and Drury will now be in a position to score more and have a more impact, and that's not to say their respective influences werent already flourishing already, especially Shanahan and Straka. And of course best case scenario they all contribute just as much if not more as they did last year and I'd say we'll be well taken care of.

My final call on Hossa might come after this year's playoffs, providing the thrashers make it again. He doesn't come across as a player who can carry a team like Jagr, and I think that might be one of the reasons for poor production in the playoffs this past year. To qualify this statement, Holik, Tkachuk, Devries, and Mellanby are not the surrounding cast a player of Hossa's caliber would need to truly produce, as I don't feel he can do it all on his own. With that being said, the one assist is strange, and would initially discourage me from going after him. But I feel with Drury and Gomez, as well as Prucha, Callahan, and some other potential rising stars, Hossa's production could conceivably increase.

Ultimately, I don't like the idea of grabbing an All Star like Hossa. I have a great deal of respect for what the Sabres and Red Wings have been doing in the past years as they have assembled a fine cast of veterans and youngsters without making too many if any outrageous financial decisions. Although many would argue against Drury and Gomez signing for such ostensibly astornomical sums, I personally was very happy with them, and feel confident in saying a player such as Hossa would ask for more than Drury and Gomez received (as he should in theory) regardless of Crosby's recent noble decisions within the Penguins organizations. I would much rather build from within, and perhaps make the handful of quality trades/signings to help the team rather than use our wealth to buy a championship.

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I think its pretty simple. You shy away from the talent because you do not think he fits your organization, team, etc. correctly. I think Hossa is a really good player, but I just do not see him as a fit for the Rangers. I agree with SBOB, I want to see them replace Jagr from within by becoming a team with balanced offensive depth. We let some of the kids develop and put a team together around Drury and Gomez. Henrik gets signed long-term next year most likely as well and I am ready to goto war in the post lockout years.

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Jagr is not exactly a defensive dynamo, but he has put more effort into back checking in his New York tenure than ever before. I wouldn't say he's a defensive specialist, but anyone that watches the team would note he has gotten better.

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I'd pass if I was the Rangers.

Not only he'll command 6-8millions (Or he'll receive that.)And , he has shown in the past that he doesn't show when it comes Playoff time.

And..I'm not so sure if the Rangers will have the Cap space after locking up Henrik long term..

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