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08-12-2007, 03:25 PM
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Flyers Point Predictions

Let me know what you guys think of these projections:

Briere - 32-63-95
Gagne - 52-39-91
Knuble - 33-35-68
Hartnell - 28-27-55
Timonen - 14-40-54
Carter - 24-29-53
Lupul - 30-22-52
Upshall - 20-28-48
Richards - 13-33-46
Coburn - 8-27-35
Umberger - 18-16-34
Potulny - 12-17-29 (67 games)
Kapanen - 10-17-27
Downie - 13-14-27 (68 games)
Picard - 5-20-25
Ruzicka - 10-10-20 (64 games)
Eager - 7-9-16
Smith - 3-10-13

Biron for 32 wins and 3 shutouts. Niittymaki for 10 wins and 1 shutout.

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i'll be shocked if Downie, Ruzicka, and Potulny all play 60+ games... if they do, that means we've had yet another disastrous season on the injury front.

assuming limited injuries... and everyone sort of doing as well as possible... which, of course, means this isn't going to happen.

1st line
Gagne: 48-33-81
Briere: 28-55-83
Knuble: 24-35-59

2nd line
Hartnell: 26-30-56
Carter: 29-35-64
Lupul: 24-28-52

3rd line
Kapanen: 12-20-32
Richards: 16-30-46
Upshall: 22-25-47

4th line
Eager: 7-15-22
Umberger: 16-20-36
Cote: 2-5-7

Forwards: 254

1st pairing
Timonen: 15-35-50 (ton of PP time)
Smith: 3-12-15

2nd pairing
Coburn: 8-25-33
Hatcher: 2-15-17

3rd pairing
Kukkonen: 5-20-25
Gauthier: 2-10-12
assuming trade - Picard: 5-22-27

Defense: 38 goals

Total: 292 goals.

that would have been 2nd in the league last year, which probably means it isn't far off of a "perfect scenario" hypothesis... if you apply a 15% drag due to injuries, and people having their struggles... you end up at around 250, which would have made them 11th in the league last year and is a pretty reasonable spot for the roster we have right now... as a guesstimate with some give in either direction.

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08-12-2007, 04:23 PM
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Let me know what you guys think of these projections:

Briere - 32-63-95
Gagne - 52-39-91
Knuble - 33-35-68
Hartnell - 28-27-55
Timonen - 14-40-54
Carter - 24-29-53
Lupul - 30-22-52
Upshall - 20-28-48
Richards - 13-33-46
Coburn - 8-27-35
Umberger - 18-16-34
Potulny - 12-17-29 (67 games)
Kapanen - 10-17-27
Downie - 13-14-27 (68 games)
Picard - 5-20-25
Ruzicka - 10-10-20 (64 games)
Eager - 7-9-16
Smith - 3-10-13

Biron for 32 wins and 3 shutouts. Niittymaki for 10 wins and 1 shutout.
332 goals! The last team to score that many were the Pens in 95-96. If the Flyers were to score four goals a game, they'd most likely have 50+ wins and a record point turnaround season. Is that what you're predicting?

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This is what I had:

Line 1:

Briere - 35 goals, 67 assists, 102 points
Gagne - 57 goals, 42 assists, 99 points
Lupul - 37 goals, 33 assists, 70 points

Line 2:

Carter - 30 goals, 37 assists, 67 points
Knuble - 35 goals, 29 assists, 64 points
Hartnell - 30 goals, 28 assists, 58 points

Line 3:

Richards - 20 goals, 38 assists, 58 points
Upshall - 27 goals, 23 assists, 50 points
Umberger - 22 goals, 25 assists, 47 points

Line 4:

Kapanen - 12 goals, 16 assists, 28 points
Potulny - 7 goals, 16 assists, 23 points
Eager - 12 goals, 8 assists, 20 points

And the defense.

Pair 1:

Timmonen - 12 goals, 57 assists, 69 points
Smith - 3 goals, 7 assists, 10 points

Pair 2:

Coburn - 4 goals, 21 assists, 25 points
Kukkonen - 7 goals, 11 assists, 18 points

Pair 3:

Picard - 7 goals, 28 assists, 35 points
Hatcher - 1 goal, 3 assists, 4 points

***Now, couple of things on here that I'm predicting. I'm predicting that the Flyers will look at putting youth on the wing with Gagne and Briere. Lupul or Upshall would be good fits here, however, I'm going with Lupul because he was brought in for goal scoring ability. He needs to play on a line that's going to get a lot of ice time. He wants to rebound and prove others wrong. He gets on the top spot and I think he bags 37. Gagne I think wins the Maurice Richard Trophy this year and really becomes the standard that Left Wingers are judged by. He'll really reap the benefits from having Briere as a center who can usually play the full season. Briere can also pop in a few while he's at it and he's one of the few guys who can keep up with Gagne.

As for line 2, this is where I think Knuble ends up and becomes that veteran mentor Carter lacked. Knuble will still get 35 goals, but more importantly, will be the calming influence and help Jeff Carter emerge. This is the year where the package finally comes together. Much like Vanek, Horton and Staal before him, Carter too, blossoms in his third full year of professional hockey. 30 goals with that wrist shot of his isn't uncalled for. Scott Hartnell also benefits with an opportunity to move to a scoring line and work a scoring role. Playing alongside Carter and Knuble means Hartnell should net 30 goals, a lot of them will be the garbage variety though. The big difference with other Flyers wingers in the past, Hartnell is a bit ornery and will deliver a pounding if he's been taken advantage of.

Line 3 is where I think the big difference maker will be. I don't think it's going to be your conventional shut down line per se. It will be a checking unit, but this is one checking unit that should deliver some goals. I also think Umberger gets moved to the left side, Upshall moves to the right, and Kapanen anchors the fourth line as the veteran mentor for both Eager and Potulny.

I do think this is a group of forwards that can put the puck in the net. There's no doubt in my mind Gagne gets nearly 60 with a healthy playmaker beside him all season.

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08-12-2007, 05:02 PM
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BCF16... i love your consistent optimism.

assuming i tapped out the calc right, that's 358 goals. even if this team has zero injuries and everything goes great with everyone's personal seasons... we aren't scoring 358 goals. Buffalo didn't get to 300 last year, and only two teams scored over 270.

just a bit of perspective on team totals to think about... there's only so much puck.

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332 goals! The last team to score that many were the Pens in 95-96. If the Flyers were to score four goals a game, they'd most likely have 50+ wins and a record point turnaround season. Is that what you're predicting?
How dare you inject a dose of reality into this thread!!

I wouldn't put much stock into his delusional fantasies, however.

I expect this team to finish in the upper half of the league in goals scored, but I don't think it'll be top 10.

Briere: 26 G - 64 A - 90 PTS
Gagne: 46 G - 34 A - 80 PTS
Knuble: 27 G - 30 A - 57 PTS

Lupul: 19 G - 20 A - 39 PTS
Carter: 24 G - 25 A - 49 PTS
Hartnell: 22 G - 19 A - 41 PTS

Upshall: 18 G - 20 A - 38 PTS
Richards: 12 G - 28 A - 40 PTS
Kapanen: 7 G - 15 A - 22 PTS

Eager: 6 G - 10 A - 16 PTS
Umberger: 12 G - 11 A - 23 PTS
Cote: 0 G - 3 A - 3 PTS

219 G total

Timonen: 12 G - 39 A - 51 PTS
Coburn: 6 G - 17 A - 23 PTS
Picard: 3 G - 14 A - 17 PTS
Kukkonen: 2 G - 11 A - 13 PTS
Smith: 1 G - 8 A - 9 PTS
Hatcher: 1 G - 5 A - 6 PTS
Gauthier: 0 G - 3 A - 3 PTS

25 G total

219 + 25 = 244 G total

That would have put us 12th in the league in scoring last season.

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This is what I had:

Line 1:

Briere - 35 goals, 67 assists, 102 points
Gagne - 57 goals, 42 assists, 99 points
Lupul - 37 goals, 33 assists, 70 points

Line 2:

Carter - 30 goals, 37 assists, 67 points
Knuble - 35 goals, 29 assists, 64 points
Hartnell - 30 goals, 28 assists, 58 points

Line 3:

Richards - 20 goals, 38 assists, 58 points
Upshall - 27 goals, 23 assists, 50 points
Umberger - 22 goals, 25 assists, 47 points

Line 4:

Kapanen - 12 goals, 16 assists, 28 points
Potulny - 7 goals, 16 assists, 23 points
Eager - 12 goals, 8 assists, 20 points

And the defense.

Pair 1:

Timmonen - 12 goals, 57 assists, 69 points
Smith - 3 goals, 7 assists, 10 points

Pair 2:

Coburn - 4 goals, 21 assists, 25 points
Kukkonen - 7 goals, 11 assists, 18 points

Pair 3:

Picard - 7 goals, 28 assists, 35 points
Hatcher - 1 goal, 3 assists, 4 points

***Now, couple of things on here that I'm predicting. I'm predicting that the Flyers will look at putting youth on the wing with Gagne and Briere. Lupul or Upshall would be good fits here, however, I'm going with Lupul because he was brought in for goal scoring ability. He needs to play on a line that's going to get a lot of ice time. He wants to rebound and prove others wrong. He gets on the top spot and I think he bags 37. Gagne I think wins the Maurice Richard Trophy this year and really becomes the standard that Left Wingers are judged by. He'll really reap the benefits from having Briere as a center who can usually play the full season. Briere can also pop in a few while he's at it and he's one of the few guys who can keep up with Gagne.

As for line 2, this is where I think Knuble ends up and becomes that veteran mentor Carter lacked. Knuble will still get 35 goals, but more importantly, will be the calming influence and help Jeff Carter emerge. This is the year where the package finally comes together. Much like Vanek, Horton and Staal before him, Carter too, blossoms in his third full year of professional hockey. 30 goals with that wrist shot of his isn't uncalled for. Scott Hartnell also benefits with an opportunity to move to a scoring line and work a scoring role. Playing alongside Carter and Knuble means Hartnell should net 30 goals, a lot of them will be the garbage variety though. The big difference with other Flyers wingers in the past, Hartnell is a bit ornery and will deliver a pounding if he's been taken advantage of.

Line 3 is where I think the big difference maker will be. I don't think it's going to be your conventional shut down line per se. It will be a checking unit, but this is one checking unit that should deliver some goals. I also think Umberger gets moved to the left side, Upshall moves to the right, and Kapanen anchors the fourth line as the veteran mentor for both Eager and Potulny.

I do think this is a group of forwards that can put the puck in the net. There's no doubt in my mind Gagne gets nearly 60 with a healthy playmaker beside him all season.
358 goals, eh? Sweet.

Now, here's the top scorers on the roster of the last team to score at least that many goals in a season...


Mario Lemieux 70 GP 69 G 92 A 161 PTS
Jaromir Jagr 82 62 87 149
Ron Francis 77 27 92 119
Petr Nedved 80 45 54 99
Tomas Sandstrom 58 35 35 70
Sergei Zubov 64 11 55 66
Bryan Smolinski 81 24 40 64

They were all part of the 1995-1996 Pittsburgh Penguins.

You have 4 HOFers on that list (Lemieux, Jagr, Francis, Zubov). In other words, no, the Flyers won't be scoring 358 goals this upcoming season, no matter how "new" the NHL is.

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Come on guys let's get realistic.

Gagne 45-35-80
Briere 30-55-85
Lupul 25-20-45

Hartnell 25-25-50
Carter 25-25-50
Knuble 25-25-50

Upshall 15-20-35
Richards 15-30-45
Kapanen 7-20-27

Eager 8-5-13
Umberger 10-15-25
Cote 3-3-6

Timonen 10-40-50
Smith 3-10-13

Picard 6-25-31
Kukkonen 5-15-30

Coburn 8-15-23
Hatcher 4-5-9

That's probably 260-270, maybe a bit optimistic.

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How dare you inject a dose of reality into this thread!!
Yeah, I'm sorry, I know no one wants to take their head off the cloud that is mid-August optimism.

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That's probably 260-270, maybe a bit optimistic.
i think that's a reasonable number if this team clicks well and avoids lengthy injuries. they certainly have the guns in the forwards to get some points.

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Come on guys let's get realistic.

Gagne 45-35-80
Briere 30-55-85
Lupul 25-20-45

Hartnell 25-25-50
Carter 25-25-50
Knuble 25-25-50

Upshall 15-20-35
Richards 15-30-45
Kapanen 7-20-27

Eager 8-5-13
Umberger 10-15-25
Cote 3-3-6

Timonen 10-40-50
Smith 3-10-13

Picard 6-25-31
Kukkonen 5-15-30

Coburn 8-15-23
Hatcher 4-5-9

That's probably 260-270, maybe a bit optimistic.

sounds about right to me... not THAT optimistic

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i think that's a reasonable number if this team clicks well and avoids lengthy injuries. they certainly have the guns in the forwards to get some points.
Yeah if we stay healthy, I could see us going higher, but of course we will have some injury issues which will cut down on goals and all that.

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sounds about right to me... not THAT optimistic
Haha the Philadelphian in me tells me that any prediction for success is optimistic.

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358 goals, eh? Sweet.

Now, here's the top scorers on the roster of the last team to score at least that many goals in a season...


Mario Lemieux 70 GP 69 G 92 A 161 PTS
Jaromir Jagr 82 62 87 149
Ron Francis 77 27 92 119
Petr Nedved 80 45 54 99
Tomas Sandstrom 58 35 35 70
Sergei Zubov 64 11 55 66
Bryan Smolinski 81 24 40 64

They were all part of the 1995-1996 Pittsburgh Penguins.

You have 4 HOFers on that list (Lemieux, Jagr, Francis, Zubov). In other words, no, the Flyers won't be scoring 358 goals this upcoming season, no matter how "new" the NHL is.
hey if Nedved can be a 99 point guy then upshall is good for 150

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hey if Nedved can be a 99 point guy then upshall is good for 150
Contrary to popular opinion, Nedved hasn't always been a pathetic waste of a roster space.

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Upshall impressed me with the Flyers last year. I could see him getting in the high 20's in goals. Lupul is a big question mark though; it's tough to say what he'll do in the new change of scenery. 30+ is a possibility, but he could also fall below 20 and lose a lot of ice time to more productive players.

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i would love it if upshall gets 25+ goals but on this roster, he's going to have a tough time getting ice time. he will probably be on the third line, second at best, and won't be seeing the time he had with us at the end of last year. i think 15 is a good expectation and 20 is not unattainable.

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LOL, seems to me we did this already (at least for goals) and if I remember correctly most people had us scoring over 300 goals for the season. It's nice to see that most have come back down to reality with their predictions. I'll see if I can find the old thread and bump it.

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Contrary to popular opinion, Nedved hasn't always been a pathetic waste of a roster space.
He may not have been effective for us, but at least he tried. He was sent to the minors, and never pouted once. He worked hard to get his spot back which is more than can be said about those POS Calder and York.

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i actually like nedved in philly, and was disappointed that he didnt play well here. i can't think of anyone worse than york and calder, those guys deserve to get bludgeoned by shovels.

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hey if Nedved can be a 99 point guy then upshall is good for 150
I believe Peter scored on and OFF the ice more than most people gave him credit for
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/swi...rekova_01.html

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I think this is a really good estimate.

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i'll be shocked if Downie, Ruzicka, and Potulny all play 60+ games... if they do, that means we've had yet another disastrous season on the injury front.

assuming limited injuries... and everyone sort of doing as well as possible... which, of course, means this isn't going to happen.

1st line
Gagne: 48-33-81
Briere: 28-55-83
Knuble: 24-35-59

2nd line
Hartnell: 26-30-56
Carter: 29-35-64
Lupul: 24-28-52

3rd line
Kapanen: 12-20-32
Richards: 16-30-46
Upshall: 22-25-47

4th line
Eager: 7-15-22
Umberger: 16-20-36
Cote: 2-5-7

Forwards: 254

1st pairing
Timonen: 15-35-50 (ton of PP time)
Smith: 3-12-15

2nd pairing
Coburn: 8-25-33
Hatcher: 2-15-17

3rd pairing
Kukkonen: 5-20-25
Gauthier: 2-10-12
assuming trade - Picard: 5-22-27

Defense: 38 goals

Total: 292 goals.

that would have been 2nd in the league last year, which probably means it isn't far off of a "perfect scenario" hypothesis... if you apply a 15% drag due to injuries, and people having their struggles... you end up at around 250, which would have made them 11th in the league last year and is a pretty reasonable spot for the roster we have right now... as a guesstimate with some give in either direction.

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Let me know what you guys think of these projections:

Briere - 32-63-95
Gagne - 52-39-91
Knuble - 33-35-68
Hartnell - 28-27-55
Timonen - 14-40-54
Carter - 24-29-53
Lupul - 30-22-52
Upshall - 20-28-48
Richards - 13-33-46
Coburn - 8-27-35
Umberger - 18-16-34
Potulny - 12-17-29 (67 games)
Kapanen - 10-17-27
Downie - 13-14-27 (68 games)
Picard - 5-20-25
Ruzicka - 10-10-20 (64 games)
Eager - 7-9-16
Smith - 3-10-13

Biron for 32 wins and 3 shutouts. Niittymaki for 10 wins and 1 shutout.
Hatcher -45 LOL

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Hatcher -45 LOL
that wasn't even remotely funny

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Hatcher -45 LOL
Hatcher will be a low plus player this year if they use him correctly... which the presence of Smith should allow them to do.

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