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07-31-2007, 01:17 PM
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USNTDP - Americans only?

are canadians and international players allowed on the the junior development teams?

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are canadians and international players allowed on the the junior development teams?
Nope. Only Americans, and players with some sort of American citizenship. For example, they can be born in Canada, but still play if one parent was born in the States (ie Jason Bailey).

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Dual citizens included

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Nope. Only Americans, and players with some sort of American citizenship. For example, they can be born in Canada, but still play if one parent was born in the States (ie Jason Bailey).
I believe Luke Moffat who received an early commitment a few weeks ago for the 2008-2009 U17 team is also a dual citizen.

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Nope. Only Americans, and players with some sort of American citizenship. For example, they can be born in Canada, but still play if one parent was born in the States (ie Jason Bailey).
The United States Government is "blind" to non-naturalized dual citizenship. If you are born in the United States (no matter your parentage) or a citizen because your parent(s) is/are citizen(s), any other citizenships you hold are a non-issue to the USA. That is why the USNTDP may have dual citizens on it. As long as they are US citizens, its all good.

If you are naturalized, you are '"supposed" to renounce your former citizenship, and according to the US, you are US only. But then again many countries do not allow renouncement thus "those" dual citizens can also play with the USNTDP.

I know, legal mumbo-jumbo, but it helps make sense of it nonetheless.

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The United States Government is "blind" to non-naturalized dual citizenship. If you are born in the United States (no matter your parentage) or a citizen because your parent(s) is/are citizen(s), any other citizenships you hold are a non-issue to the USA. That is why the USNTDP may have dual citizens on it. As long as they are US citizens, its all good.

If you are naturalized, you are '"supposed" to renounce your former citizenship, and according to the US, you are US only. But then again many countries do not allow renouncement thus "those" dual citizens can also play with the USNTDP.

I know, legal mumbo-jumbo, but it helps make sense of it nonetheless.
Thanks for the clarification. Wasn't too sure about the specifics, but just knew of a couple of examples of kids with an American parent who joined the program...

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How does this program work? Do players commit at an early age to it or do some of the USHL etc. teams see some of their stars leave when they show promise to join the USNTDP? If its a case of the latter, its not really fair to the other member clubs to see their stars forsake club success for international success.

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for information on the program, read this thread...which includes a link to some more information, as well.

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=398339

also, here is the link to the USA Hockey NTDP site

Link to USA Hockey NTDP site

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How does this program work? Do players commit at an early age to it or do some of the USHL etc. teams see some of their stars leave when they show promise to join the USNTDP? If its a case of the latter, its not really fair to the other member clubs to see their stars forsake club success for international success.
Well, most of the guys who join the USNTDP leave after a year or two of high school and after a couple years in the NTDP, they either go to college or juniors

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No matter how you look at it, $4,000,000.00 for approx 40 players at the USNTDP is a tremendous amount of money for so few players. That is about $100,000/player. This money is "raised" from sponsors to some degree but the majority comes from USAH. That is every house and recreational player supports this program with their dues. For about $500,000 you could operate a NAHL junior a team of 25 players. So for the money spent on 40 kids USAH could sponser 8 entire Junior A teams. That would be approx. 200 players instead of 40. The 40 USNTDP players could still play and the hockey pool would get 160 other players in the deal who might develop and in the end turn out to be as good as anyone of the "chosen" 40.

Now I know that there is great fanfare given to the marked improvement in the performance at the international level by U.S. players. And I understand that the USNTDP is always pointed to by USAH as the reason for the improvement. But in fact, I think an equally good argument could be made that the tremendous increase in the number of kids playing hockey in the U.S. was in fact the real reason for the improved talent pool and the subsequent improvement in the international showings.

Spread the money to 8 more Junior A teams, expose that many more kids in areas (cities) where these teams play, and I would postulate you would have a greater improvement in the talent pool than concentrating the money in one area and betting all the chips on 40 kids.


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