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08-22-2007, 04:03 PM
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What about Chicago?

Maybe it's like 2-3 years late tho since they've got some good high pick lately, but they didnt make an impact in the nhl yet.

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08-22-2007, 05:52 PM
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What? Seriously?
It's true, I don't know all the details. But in a nutshell:

The owner's *I think it was Purina* was trying to sell the team *St.Louis Blues* but the league was giving them a hard time. So the organization said screw it and didn't send anyone from the team to represent them at the draft.

Edit:Here's a website with all the info

http://www.hockeydraftcentral.com/1983/83facts.html

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08-22-2007, 07:43 PM
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I found the excert:
That was from Spector?

Usually he seems like a pretty informed person, but to call Barrett Jackman a "no name defenseman", dismiss the abilities of Christian Backman and call Erik Johnson "a bit of a bust" makes him look a total buffoon.

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08-22-2007, 08:49 PM
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I'd throw out Phoenix as a possibility. From 1997 to 2003 they drafted 3 impact NHLers and two of them are no longer with the team. I consider Vaanenen, Sjostrom and Eager as impact players, you can debate that, or add more players, but to me those are the only guys who are "full-time" NHLers at the moment.

1996
11 D Dan Focht
24 C Daniel Briere
62 D Per-Anton Lundstrom
119 D Richard Lintner
139 G Robert Esche
174 C Trevor Letowski
200 R Nick Lent
226 C Marc-Etienne Hubert

Excellent Year. Focht is a bust, but can still be a good depth AHLer. Lintner also played a few years in the NHL and did fairly well.

1997
43 D Juha Gustafsson
96 D Scott McCallum
123 D Curtis Suter
151 L Robert Francz
207 D Alex Andreyev
233 C Wyatt Smith

Smith seems to have carved a niche out for himself in the NHL. He's up and down from the AHL, but he's played 186 games.

1998
14 G Patrick DesRochers
43 D Ossi Vaananen
73 C Pat O'Leary
100 D Ryan Van Buskirk
115 D Jay Leach
116 G Josh Blackburn
129 D Robert Schnabel
160 C Rickard Wallin
187 C Erik Westrum
214 C Justin Hansen

Vaananen is the only player who made an impact. Westrum has played a few games at the NHL level.

1999
15 C Scott Kelman
19 D Kirill Safronov
53 C Brad Ralph
71 C Jason Jaspers
116 C Ryan Lauzon
123 C Preston Mizzi
168 D Erik Lewerstrom
234 D Goran Bezina
262 D Alexei Litvinenko

Nobody interesting.

2000
19 C Krys Kolanos
53 Alexander Tatarinov
85 L Ramzi Abid
160 D Nate Kiser
186 R Brent Gauvreau
217 Igor Samoylov
249 R Sami Venalainen
281 C Peter Fabus

Kolanos and Abid played in the NHL, but neither can stick in the league.

2001
11 R Fredrik Sjostrom
31 D Matthew Spiller
45 C Martin Podlesak
78 Beat Forster
148 F David Klema
180 R Scott Polaski
210 G Steve Belanger
243 W Frank Lukes
273 Severin Blindenbacher

Sjostrom is turning into an effective player.

2002
19 C Jakub Koreis
23 L Ben Eager
46 G David LeNeveu
70 D Joe Callahan
80 D Matt Jones
97 R Lance Monych
132 R John Zeiler
186 G Jeff Pietrasiak
216 L Ladislav Kouba
249 D Marcus Smith
280 L Russell Spence

Eager is turning into an effective grinder/enforcer for Philly.

2003
77 C Tyler Redenbach
80 C Dmitry Pestunov
115 C Liam Lindstrom
178 R Ryan Gibbons
208 R Randall Gelech
242 F Eduard Lewandowski
272 D Sean Sullivan
290 Loic Burkhalter

Nobody has played an NHL game yet.
That's ugly.

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08-23-2007, 09:31 AM
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That was from Spector?

Usually he seems like a pretty informed person, but to call Barrett Jackman a "no name defenseman", dismiss the abilities of Christian Backman and call Erik Johnson "a bit of a bust" makes him look a total buffoon.
It was from his forums, not from him.

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08-23-2007, 09:39 AM
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Calling Eric Johnson a bit of a bust blew the credibility of that post out the window. The guy is one of the best prospects in hockey. I don't think the author knows his prospects.

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Very true but I checked the rest of his info out and the facts still remain the same, Johnson/Jackman/Backman is all they have out of 10 years of drafting. Can you find another team other then maybe Phoenix who is worse?

Also, the other section of his thread was talking about who the worst team in the past 40 years is and he claims it's st-louis due to their poor record in playoff hockey and such.

Sorry the thread was originally about more then one thing but I pulled it out of context to see what you guys thought about this guys comments, wanted to see if somebody was able to find a team that has done worse scouting, didn't really want to discuss how good or bad a team st-louis has or hasn't been for the last 40 years

Either way, I think the above poster was right with choosing phoenix but then again, it's not based on whether or not they traded away the pick, and they did have Briere which is safe enough to say their scouts have done something right, the scouts weren't the one's who traded away Briere.

Anyways, cheers.

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08-23-2007, 10:47 AM
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It's true, I don't know all the details. But in a nutshell:

The owner's *I think it was Purina* was trying to sell the team *St.Louis Blues* but the league was giving them a hard time. So the organization said screw it and didn't send anyone from the team to represent them at the draft.

Edit:Here's a website with all the info

http://www.hockeydraftcentral.com/1983/83facts.html
wow what a way to improve a team...

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08-23-2007, 11:06 AM
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TJ Oshie is going to be a great player for the intangibles he brings to the game. If his offensive game translates at the next level, I'm pretty sure he won't be considered a disappointment. And erik Johnson was a 1st overall pick, hard to not do well with those cards unless we're in 1999.
You're absoluetly right. O'shie is gonna be a real good player. First line center or at worst a second line center...So wrong to the guy who said 3rd or 4th line type of guy for O'shie...

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Vancouver hands down

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08-23-2007, 01:13 PM
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Vancouver hands down
They aren't great, but not the worst imo. They aren't consistent though.

They've usually managed to produce NHL caliber players and also draft a decent number of depth players. Some of their high picks may not have panned out (Allen, Umberger, Ference etc...), and they haven't drafted a marquee player, but they still have a decent success ratio.

1995
40 D Chris McAllister
61 L Larry Courville
66 L Peter Schaefer
92 D Lloyd Shaw
120 L Todd Norman
144 D Brent Sopel
170 C Stu Bodtker
196 R Tyler Willis
222 G Jason Cugnet

Good year, especially considering they didn't have a 1st rounder. Sopel has had a good career as has Schaefer.

1996
12 C Josh Holden
75 D Zenith Komarniski
93 R Jonas Soling
121 R Tyler Prosofsky
147 G Nolan McDonald
175 D Clint Cabana
201 C Jeff Scissons
227 C Lubomir Vaic

Disappointing year. Holden busted, nobody else made an impact. Komarniski had a cup of coffee.

1997
10 D Brad Ference
34 D Ryan Bonni
36 C Harold Druken
64 L Kyle Freadrich
90 C Chris Stanley
114 David Darguzas
117 G Matt Cockell
144 L Matt Cooke
148 R Larry Shapley
171 Rod Leroux
201 L Denis Martynyuk
227 G Peter Brady

Cooke is one of the better pests in the NHL. Ference and Druken are decent AHL depth guys.

1998
4 D Bryan Allen
31 C Artem Chubarov
68 L Jarkko Ruutu
81 R Justin Morrison
90 D Regan Darby
136 David Jonsson
140 Rick Bertran
149 R Paul Cabana
177 R Vince Malts
204 C Graig Mischler
219 L Curtis Valentine
232 D Jason Metcalfe

Ruutu is one of the best pests in the NHL. Allen is a decent dman. Chubarov played 200+ games in the NHL before returning to Russia.

1999
2 L Daniel Sedin
3 C Henrik Sedin

69 D Rene Vydareny
129 L Ryan Thorpe
172 D Josh Reed
189 G Kevin Swanson
218 D Markus Kankaanpera
271 D Darrell Hay

The Sedins are emerging as top line players.

2000
23 C Nathan Smith
71 C Thatcher Bell
93 D Tim Branham
144 F Pavel Duma
208 C Brandon Reid
241 C Nathan Barrett
272 C Tim Smith

Bad year. Reid and Smith have had cups of coffee, but nobody making any sort of impact.

2001
16 C R.J. Umberger
66 C Fedor Fedorov
114 R Evgeny Gladskikh
151 D Kevin Bieksa
212 L Jason King
245 F Konstantin Mikhailov

Bieksa is turning out to be a steal. Umberger is a good depth player. King had some time in the NHL and did fairly well. Fedorov had potential, but busted.

2002
49 D Kirill Koltsov
55 D Denis Grot
68 D Brett Skinner
83 G Lukas Mensator
114 F John Laliberte
151 G Robert McVicar
214 L Marc-Andre Roy
223 F Ilya Krikunov
247 G Matt Violin
277 Thomas Nussli
278 R Matt Gens

Nobody interesting.

2003
23 C Ryan Kesler
60 R Marc-Andre Bernier
111 C Brandon Nolan
128 L Ty Morris
160 L Nicklas Danielsson
190 D Chad Brownlee
222 C Francois-Pierre Guenette
252 F Sergei Topol
254 D Nathan McIver
285 D Matthew Hansen

You would have hoped they could have gotten more out of this draft, but Kesler is a good player.

Calgary is far more disappointing.

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08-23-2007, 01:28 PM
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Calgary is a team that I mentioned, and was actually one of my original picks, but looking at it, they aren't that bad. They've made a few questionable picks in recent years, but we'll see how that works out. For the 90's, apart from some huge busts like Fata and Tkaczuk, they aren't too bad.

1995
20 D Denis Gauthier
46 F Pavel Smirnov
72 R Rocky Thompson
98 R Jan Labraaten
150 C Clarke Wilm
176 D Ryan Gillis
233 D Steve Shirreffs

Good year. Gauthier is a physical dman. Thompson had a cup of coffee and was a solid AHL enforcer. Wilm played nearly 500 games.

1996
13 D Derek Morris
39 L Travis Brigley
40 C Steve Begin
73 L Dmitri Vlasenkov
89 D Toni Lydman
94 Christian Lefebvre
122 C Josef Straka
202 F Ryan Wade
228 R Ronald Petrovicky

Excellent year. 4 impact NHLers is a always a success. No stars, but Lydman is a very solid dman. Morris has never really become a star, but he's a solid dman. Begin and Petrovicky are good 4th liners.

1997
6 C Daniel Tkaczuk
32 G Evan Lindsay
42 R John Tripp
51 D Dmitry Kokorev
60 C Derek Schutz
70 L Erik Andersson
92 D Chris St. Croix
100 L Ryan Ready
113 R Martin Moise
140 D Ilja Demidov
167 L Jeremy Rondeau
223 R Dustin Paul

Awful year. A couple guys who had a cup of coffee, but Tkaczuk busted and no impact players.

1998
6 R Rico Fata
33 C Blair Betts
62 D Paul Manning
102 R Shaun Sutter
108 G Dany Sabourin
120 R Brent Gauvreau
192 R Radek Duda
206 D Jonas Frogren
234 D Kevin Mitchell

Another disapointing year. Betts is a good 4th liner, but Fata was a bust. .

1999
11 L Oleg Saprykin
38 C Dan Cavanaugh
77 G Craig Anderson
106 D Roman Rozakov
135 W Matt Doman
153 D Jesse Cook
166 R Cory Pecker
170 G Matt Underhill
190 L Blair Stayzer
252 R Dmitri Kirilenko

It took Saprykin a long time to emerge and even then, he's not a top 6 player. The rest offer nothing interesting.

2000
9 G Brent Krahn
40 D Kurtis Foster
46 C Jarret Stoll***
116 G Levente Szuper
141 D Wade Davis
155 W Travis Moen
176 R Jukka Hentunen
239 D David Hajek
270 D Micki DuPont

Krahn will finally get a shot to be a backup this year. Stoll re-entered the draft. Moen went on to have success elsewhere.

2001
14 R Chuck Kobasew
41 C Andrei Taratukhin
56 G Andrei Medvedev
108 R Tomi Maki
124 F Igor Shastin
145 D Jim Hakewill
164 C Yuri Trubachev
207 R Garett Bembridge
220 R David Moss
233 D Joe Campbell
251 R Ville Hamalainen

Decent year. Moss has emerged as a guy who can contribute at the NHL level. Taratukhin and Medvedev had a lot of promise but never achieved it.

2002
10 L Eric Nystrom
39 F Brian McConnell
90 C Matthew Lombardi
112 Yuri Artemenkov
141 R Jiri Cetkovsky
142 Emanuel Peter
146 Viktor Bobrov
159 R Kristofer Persson
176 G Curtis McElhinney
206 R David Van Der Gulik
207 R Pierre Johnsson
238 D Jyri Marttinen

Decent year, Lombardi is a solid player.

2003
***9 D Dion Phaneuf***
39 D Tim Ramholt
97 L Ryan Donally
112 R Jamie Tardif
143 R Greg Moore
173 C Tyler Johnson
206 R Thomas Bellemare
240 L Cam Cunning
270 W Kevin Harvey

The best pick the Flames have ever made . Stud dman that will anchor their blueline for years to come. The rest...meh.

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Yes I agree now the Canucks aren't the worst but Im pretty sure their 02 draft has producded something like 1 NHL game which was for all of 10mins by McVicar

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