HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Western Conference > Central Division > Nashville Predators
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Sullivan out 3 months

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
08-24-2007, 02:33 PM
  #1
trotzian brow
Registered User
 
trotzian brow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Country: United States
Posts: 296
vCash: 500
Sullivan out 3 months

http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs....RTS02/70824042

trotzian brow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-24-2007, 02:48 PM
  #2
RaiderDoug
Registered User
 
RaiderDoug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Knoxville
Country: United States
Posts: 1,821
vCash: 500
Wow. This hurts.

Hopefully, Poile can work a little magic.

Is there anyone out there that's even worth signing?

RaiderDoug is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-24-2007, 02:51 PM
  #3
barrytrotzsneck
Retired Global Mod
 
barrytrotzsneck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Nashville, TN
Country: United States
Posts: 31,122
vCash: 500
Jesus.

Well, this isn't something that can be corrected from within. A trade is necessary or our season is going to be rough, especially with as tough as it is early on in our schedule.

__________________
www.thepredatorial.com

barrytrotzsneck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-24-2007, 02:51 PM
  #4
fogducker
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Country: Canada
Posts: 6,399
vCash: 500
hmm trade a defenceman for an offenceman?

fogducker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-24-2007, 02:52 PM
  #5
barrytrotzsneck
Retired Global Mod
 
barrytrotzsneck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Nashville, TN
Country: United States
Posts: 31,122
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by fogducker View Post
hmm trade a defenceman for an offenceman?
One would think\hope.

barrytrotzsneck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-24-2007, 03:14 PM
  #6
handtrick
Registered User
 
handtrick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Chattanooga, TN
Posts: 3,090
vCash: 500
I knew bad news was coming, I was trying to hint at it in my recent posts.
Don't know the specifics of the 2nd surgery, though.....very bad, bad news.

As a surgeon, if you ever have to go back into a previous surgery site, this close after the initial surgery, things are DEFINITELY not good.

We should mentally start planning for the "post-Sully era" right now.....if he ever plays another game as a Predator, I will be pleasantly surprised.

handtrick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-24-2007, 04:01 PM
  #7
Marc the Habs Fan
Moderator
Ours!
 
Marc the Habs Fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Longueuil
Country: Canada
Posts: 50,445
vCash: 597
If no trade is made, what are the odds a player like Setzinger or Peverley sees top 6 time to start the year?

Got both in a keeper league, hoping they get a legit shot in camp.

Marc the Habs Fan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-24-2007, 04:07 PM
  #8
Jarnberg
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Nashville
Country: United States
Posts: 5,483
vCash: 500
No trade will be made. This team will not take on more salary, especially with the sale dragging on.

This just means Fiddler moves up.

Fiddler - Arnott - Dumont
Erat - Legwand - Radulov
Gelinas - Bonk - Ortmeyer
Tootoo - Nichol - Smithson

or we could see:

Radulov - Arnott - Dumont
Gelinas - Legwand - Erat
Fiddler - Bonk - Ortmeyer
Tootoo/Hordichuk - Nichol - Smithson (the should all be scratched line)

Jarnberg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-24-2007, 04:11 PM
  #9
handtrick
Registered User
 
handtrick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Chattanooga, TN
Posts: 3,090
vCash: 500
Check out Poile's audio comments:

http://predators.nhl.com/team/app/?s...ticleid=336287

Poile said that it was a "refragmentation of the same disc" and doctor's expect the problem has again been treated fully by removing the new fragment, and he has good chance of full recovery.

I think this is what needs to be said right now, but as I said before, I would be "pleasantly surprised" if he plays again, whereas Poile seemed much more positive than that.

handtrick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-24-2007, 04:13 PM
  #10
barrytrotzsneck
Retired Global Mod
 
barrytrotzsneck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Nashville, TN
Country: United States
Posts: 31,122
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stranger View Post
No trade will be made. This team will not take on more salary, especially with the sale dragging on.

This just means Fiddler moves up.

Fiddler - Arnott - Dumont
Erat - Legwand - Radulov
Gelinas - Bonk - Ortmeyer
Tootoo - Nichol - Smithson

or we could see:

Radulov - Arnott - Dumont
Gelinas - Legwand - Erat
Fiddler - Bonk - Ortmeyer
Tootoo/Hordichuk - Nichol - Smithson (the should all be scratched line)
You honestly think new ownership would allow a team as mediocre as the Predators will be without Sullivan to destroy every bit of ticket headway they made, this offseason? Missing the playoffs would be disastrous. They know it even better than we do.

barrytrotzsneck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-24-2007, 04:15 PM
  #11
RaiderDoug
Registered User
 
RaiderDoug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Knoxville
Country: United States
Posts: 1,821
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stranger View Post
No trade will be made. This team will not take on more salary, especially with the sale dragging on.

This just means Fiddler moves up.

Fiddler - Arnott - Dumont
Erat - Legwand - Radulov
Gelinas - Bonk - Ortmeyer
Tootoo - Nichol - Smithson

or we could see:

Radulov - Arnott - Dumont
Gelinas - Legwand - Erat
Fiddler - Bonk - Ortmeyer
Tootoo/Hordichuk - Nichol - Smithson (the should all be scratched line)
Woah, who knew Barry Trotz posted on here.

I bet your figuring out a way to toss a stick under Erat's skate so you can find a place for Smithson.

RaiderDoug is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-24-2007, 04:17 PM
  #12
RaiderDoug
Registered User
 
RaiderDoug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Knoxville
Country: United States
Posts: 1,821
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by handtrick View Post
Check out Poile's audio comments:

http://predators.nhl.com/team/app/?s...ticleid=336287

Poile said that it was a "refragmentation of the same disc" and doctor's expect the problem has again been treated fully by removing the new fragment, and he has good chance of full recovery.

I think this is what needs to be said right now, but as I said before, I would be "pleasantly surprised" if he plays again, whereas Poile seemed much more positive than that.

I find this amazing that this could be considered a career ender.

I mean, they can rebuild Kevin Steven's face, they can figure out a way to keep a puddinghead like Lindros on the ice, and they can re-attach Havlat's ankle, but they can't fix a bad disc?

RaiderDoug is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-24-2007, 04:18 PM
  #13
Jarnberg
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Nashville
Country: United States
Posts: 5,483
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by RaiderDoug View Post
Woah, who knew Barry Trotz posted on here.

I bet your figuring out a way to toss a stick under Erat's skate so you can find a place for Smithson.
You act like I enjoyed that. I'm not posting what I want, but what I figure the team would look like...

Jarnberg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-24-2007, 04:21 PM
  #14
Jarnberg
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Nashville
Country: United States
Posts: 5,483
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomorekids View Post
You honestly think new ownership would allow a team as mediocre as the Predators will be without Sullivan to destroy every bit of ticket headway they made, this offseason? Missing the playoffs would be disastrous. They know it even better than we do.
First of all, they don't own the team yet. Who knows when the sale will be complete, assuming the deal goes through. Leipold will likely keep the same idea of minimum payroll. Second, even if the local group gets the team, they've talked about spending near the minimum and they want to keep losses down.

Jarnberg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-24-2007, 04:27 PM
  #15
barrytrotzsneck
Retired Global Mod
 
barrytrotzsneck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Nashville, TN
Country: United States
Posts: 31,122
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stranger View Post
First of all, they don't own the team yet. Who knows when the sale will be complete, assuming the deal goes through. Leipold will likely keep the same idea of minimum payroll. Second, even if the local group gets the team, they've talked about spending near the minimum and they want to keep losses down.
They've said that as encouragement to get fans to buy tickets. They've said "we spend what you allow us to spend." Coming in and saying, "Buy tickets, or continue to watch this team get beaten on by Chicago" is giving up before they even got going. And every indication is that they still plan to own the team after the next BOG meeting, which is about 3 weeks away and a month before the season starts.

Seriously, you've always been a good, level-headed poster, but since about May you've become unrealistically negative about everything..and this is coming from a negative poster myself. Skimping on another 2 or 3 million dollars(less, considering we could trade a roster player) by not trading to replace Sullivan might seem like something a fiscally uneasy ownership would do, but considering the collateral damage caused to ticket sales by actually ICING that team...it'd be an unwise move from investment standpoints.

barrytrotzsneck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-24-2007, 04:32 PM
  #16
handtrick
Registered User
 
handtrick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Chattanooga, TN
Posts: 3,090
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by RaiderDoug View Post
I find this amazing that this could be considered a career ender.

I mean, they can rebuild Kevin Steven's face, they can figure out a way to keep a puddinghead like Lindros on the ice, and they can re-attach Havlat's ankle, but they can't fix a bad disc?
A quick summary of Poile's comments:

They talked about it being a "refragmentation of the same disc" which has "about a 5% chance of happening.
They said that Sully was rehabbing ok, then last week noted that he couldn't fully extend on his slapshot, which is part of the original problem and why he went for the first surgery. An new MRI was obtained and the same disc was said to be "refragmented" so another surgery was performed to remove the extruded fragement. No fusion was performed, he didn't stay overnight, and he is walking the next day [today] in his hotel in LA, and is planning to come back to Nashville sometime soon.....no activity for 3 weeks, then starting rehab with the anticipated return in 3 months. Just said it was an "unlucky, bad break for Sully" and NOT felt to be career threatening or ending.



If you ask, "what am I thinking".......


That is a much more difficult question to answer in this forum.
Let's just say that there may be more that meets the eye here.

I think you can take Poile at his word for what they believe right now, is, in fact, believe....the rehab starts over as outlined and he will have to hit certain milestones to get back into full contact, game situations.

The lingering thoughts in my mind revolve around these items:
-Since no MRI is obtained post surgery....did they get all the extruded disc the first time, or was this truly are "reherniation of this same disc."
-The scar tissue from a second surgery at the same site within 2 months can lead to problems itself that are less likely to occur after just one surgery.
-The disc is not NORMAL, by any means right now, and never will be......with a highly contact physical sport like hockey....can than diseased disc segment handle all the stresses and strains required of it for an elite hockey player.....diseased discs can continue to be problematic after discectomy and require "fusion at that level."

Those are just some of the things I am thinking.

I stand by what I said earlier....."I will be pleasantly surprised to see Sully playing again as a Pred" and I will add, that I would be even more surprised if he ever was again the Point-a-game player that we have come to know, when we think of Steve Sullivan.

handtrick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-24-2007, 04:39 PM
  #17
Jarnberg
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Nashville
Country: United States
Posts: 5,483
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomorekids View Post
They've said that as encouragement to get fans to buy tickets. They've said "we spend what you allow us to spend." Coming in and saying, "Buy tickets, or continue to watch this team get beaten on by Chicago" is giving up before they even got going.
Its essentially what they are saying. The more fans we have, the more they will spend. According to them, 16,000 would have us spend a little more then the midpoint. We almost have 9,000 season ticket holders.

Quote:
And every indication is that they still plan to own the team after the next BOG meeting, which is about 3 weeks away and a month before the season starts.
Hopefully the threat of the sale falling apart if the lease changes aren't agreed upon doesn't hold much water.

Quote:
Skimping on another 2 or 3 million dollars(less, considering we could trade a roster player) by not trading to replace Sullivan might seem like something a fiscally uneasy ownership would do, but considering the collateral damage caused to ticket sales by actually ICING that team...it'd be an unwise move from investment standpoints.
In essence I agree. We need a great team to spur more ticket sales. But honestly, we had a really good team last year and couldn't get fans to the games. The Forsberg deal got a bunch of fans coming by the end of the year. Can we afford to make another Forsbergesqe trade or signing? If we don't go that route, will adding a player to replace Sullivan bring more fans in?

I understand what you are saying, but I just don't see it happening. Believe me, I really hope we get someone to fill in his void. But by looking at our current ownership situation, comments made by those involved in that situation and hearing Poile throw out the words 'opportunity for other players' when talking about Sullivan's injury, it doesn't bode well for that in my opinion.

Here's to me being very wrong.

Jarnberg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-24-2007, 07:14 PM
  #18
Jarnberg
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Nashville
Country: United States
Posts: 5,483
vCash: 500
I guess this could be a good place to put that Forsberg was in town this week....

Jarnberg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-24-2007, 07:20 PM
  #19
handtrick
Registered User
 
handtrick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Chattanooga, TN
Posts: 3,090
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stranger View Post
I guess this could be a good place to put that Forsberg was in town this week....
Did you see him yourself?

Anybody have any definitive reason why he was here?

handtrick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-24-2007, 07:41 PM
  #20
Predshockey17
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Michigan
Country: United States
Posts: 315
vCash: 500
That sucks.

Predshockey17 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-24-2007, 08:04 PM
  #21
PeterAngelo
Beeeee Gooooood
 
PeterAngelo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Country: Australia
Posts: 1,934
vCash: 500

PeterAngelo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-24-2007, 08:46 PM
  #22
Enoch
This is my boomstick
 
Enoch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Chattanooga TN
Country: United States
Posts: 12,506
vCash: 500
I really can't say I'm surprised. I will say that I assumed Sullivan would start the year, but I was giving him about a 30% chance of making it to the playoffs without ripping his groin or hurting his back. This is terrible for the team, and it is terrible for Sullivan.

We are now not FORCED to lose a player to waivers, but I would be shocked if we didn't try and sign a 2nd/3rd line forward.

__________________
- Enoch -
Enoch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-24-2007, 09:20 PM
  #23
teddygmr
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 1,519
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc the Habs Fan View Post
If no trade is made, what are the odds a player like Setzinger or Peverley sees top 6 time to start the year?

Got both in a keeper league, hoping they get a legit shot in camp.
I predict Setzinger will be the surprise of training camp and will be a good addition!

teddygmr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-24-2007, 09:25 PM
  #24
jstreet
Registered User
 
jstreet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: smashville
Country: United States
Posts: 7,660
vCash: 50
...in a move that takes the league by suprise, Trotz goes with the " 1 scoring line and 3 checking lines " approach...

jstreet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
08-24-2007, 09:50 PM
  #25
State of Hockey
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Minny
Country: United States
Posts: 11,189
vCash: 500
'Tis a shame with Sullivan. He's my favorite Pred. The biggest problem going into the season was a lack of depth in case of injury, but it has become a factor before the season even begins.

State of Hockey is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:27 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.