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08-26-2007, 08:29 PM
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This is a post I posted on March 21rst while looking at Rob Schremps stats
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?p...19#post8595619

"I took a look back at all the score sheets based on this one guy here posting that Schremp only scores points on the power play.. It's not true at all.

Schremp plays well at even strength too

16 goals and 30 assists

8goals 5 on 5 , 8 goals on the PP

13 Assists 5 on 5, 17 assists on the PP


He can score at even strength and on the PP.... He is just getting more ice time now and more chances to show us what he is capable of."

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08-26-2007, 09:15 PM
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How are you and s7ark and Guy Flaming not at that point yet BBO? I mean, the expectation (at least for you and s7ark; my issues with Guy are more to do with where Schremp was on the prospect rankings) was that Schremp would be in the NHL and helping the PP last year was it not? We're now looking at year two where he doesn't make the team out of camp.

Seems to me that saying "Well maybe he'll make it in the future..." doesn't really cut it. As a lot of the naysayers were saying, pro hockey was a huge slap in the face for him. You can whine about him playing with Bonvie all you want but a) I doubt that Bonvie was taking PP time with him and b) I doubt that he was playing with Bonvie all that much - I can't believe Bonvie had anything near a regular ES shift.

It's always the same with the Schrempistas: "US Hockey screwed him, NHL GM's disrespected him, his coaches in London didn't make him play defence, his coach in Wilkes-Barre didn't use him right, MacT doesn't like him..." When is it just "He's not as good as we thought"?
You say this here and say that by my saying that he'd reach 2.0 PPG in his AHL rookie year and then be called up, but he didn't, and I still have faith in him, and I'm dumb??? How many WBS games did you watch or listen to last year??? Obviously not enough for me to take your out-look on this with an more value than what a cow pie would be worth to me.

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08-26-2007, 09:17 PM
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How are you and s7ark and Guy Flaming not at that point yet BBO?
It's always the same with the Schrempistas: "US Hockey screwed him, NHL GM's disrespected him, his coaches in London didn't make him play defence, his coach in Wilkes-Barre didn't use him right, MacT doesn't like him..." When is it just "He's not as good as we thought"?
He may not ever improve his skating to the point that he can be the exact same player that I had envisioned him becomming eventually, however I am FAR from turning my back on a player whose skills and attitude I have a great deal of respect for. As I said before, I backed Horcoff before the majority of the stat heads knew who in the **** he was. This is different in the sense that he's highly touted, however I am standing behind Robbie and the talents that I see from him, until he gives me a reason not to. Yeah his production made me look foolish last year, however that was my fault for overrating him, not his fault. I watched far too many games against Dallas where we had minimal talent and lost because of it, I want guys that can change a game by a shot, a pass, etc. Schremp will develop into one of those players, whether with us or not, IMO he will.

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08-26-2007, 09:24 PM
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it is weird to compare him to Comrie. I think he is a much more creative player with a way better shot. Would be nice to see a line sometime this year of

Pouliot-Schremp-Nillson to see what they can create.

Might be a success much like the Ducks PPG line last year

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Take it easy, guys.
Take it easy now Skeeter!!!

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it is weird to compare him to Comrie. I think he is a much more creative player with a way better shot. Would be nice to see a line sometime this year of

Pouliot-Schremp-Nillson to see what they can create.

Might be a success much like the Ducks PPG line last year
You see it, I see it, they don't. But according to them what we see means jack, and what they see is all mighty (with-out likely listening to or watching any WBS games last year). (not including LT in this one as IMO he's usually very objective).

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08-26-2007, 09:29 PM
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They predict 600 goal NHL careers, 2.0 PPG AHL rookie seasons, none of it happens and it doesn't seem to matter. It's mindblowingly dumb, to be quite honest.
BTW-How's Conklin???

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BTW-How's Conklin???
He's in the NHL at the moment, which is more than you can say for Schremp. You'll also note that when it became clear that he couldn't do it, I acknowledged it and started saying that the Oilers needed better goaltending. What I'm objecting too isn't that you hyped the guy in the first place (although it was way over the top then) but that his lack of results doesn't seem to affect the hype. If I was still saying that the Oilers should run with Conklin, you might have something here.

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He's in the NHL at the moment, which is more than you can say for Schremp. You'll also note that when it became clear that he couldn't do it, I acknowledged it and started saying that the Oilers needed better goaltending. What I'm objecting too isn't that you hyped the guy in the first place (although it was way over the top then) but that his lack of results doesn't seem to affect the hype. If I was still saying that the Oilers should run with Conklin, you might have something here.
And how old was he when he made it to the NHL??? Schremp is all of 21 years old.

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And how old was he when he made it to the NHL??? Schremp is all of 21 years old.

That's not really fair. High impact forwards are in the NHL by 20 usually. I think defencemen are there by 25 and goalies can be roughly 27 it takes time to develop.

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That's not really fair. High impact forwards are in the NHL by 20 usually. I think defencemen are there by 25 and goalies can take up to 27 to develop.
They usually require a season or two of seasoning in the Ahl before they make the jump though. Unfortunately I think schremp development was not as rapid because we did not have our own farm team.

He displayed at the end of the year tough that he could put up points playing with pros in the AHL

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They usually require a season or two of seasoning in the Ahl before they make the jump though. Unfortunately I think schremp development was not as rapid because we did not have our own farm team.
Sigh. No they don't. And if they do spend a season or two in the AHL before making the jump, they usually rip it up.

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Sigh. No they don't. And if they do spend a season or two in the AHL before making the jump, they usually rip it up.
Depends on the comp used.

I'm not a "Schrempista," either.

Just so we can compare notes, what do you see as his career potential? 4th line offensive PP specialist? AHL fodder? Serviceable 2nd line forward with PP skills?

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Sigh. No they don't. And if they do spend a season or two in the AHL before making the jump, they usually rip it up.
Cammelerri (sp), Perry, getzlaf, Radulov are some examples of players who took time in the minors to work out the kinks before making an impact.. lets not forget Spezza

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Cammelerri (sp), Perry, getzlaf, Radulov are some examples of players who took time in the minors to work out the kinks before making an impact.. lets not forget Spezza
Those guys would all fall in the "ripping it up" category. Not to mention, Radulov spent all of 11 games in the minors. Perry played 19 AHL games, and Getzlaf 17.


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Those guys would all fall in the "ripping it up" category. Not to mention, Radulov spent all of 11 games in the minors.
Not to mention, two of those players wouldn't have spent nearly as much time in the AHL as they did if not for the lockout wiping out an NHL season.

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13 games and 20 points in the AHL, and then off to the NHL at age 20.

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Perry
34 points in 18 games at age 20, and then off to the NHL.

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33 points in 18 games at age 20, and then off to the NHL.

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54 points in 43 games and then off to the NHL at 20.

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More realistic comparisons might include Tomas Plekanec (a little on the high side given Plek's a much better defensive player) and Jiri Hudler (split lots of time between the AHL/NHL so far but maybe a little on the low side because he apparently has work ethic issues).

EDIT: Hudler actually had a decent NHL season last year.


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I should note that I'd be very happy if Schremp turned out to be a Plekanec type of player, with poorer defensive skills but more offense on the PP.

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More realistic comparisons might include Tomas Plekanec (a little on the high side given Plek's a much better defensive player) and Jiri Hudler
What about somebody like Brad Boyes?

Anyway, with all due respect to Lowetide - and I'm not a "moneyball" guy so maybe there's something I missed - it seems to me to be a strong statistical argument that Rob Schremp wasn't NHL ready last season.

I guess it could be unrealistic, but I do expect him to improve. By how much and how fast, I really don't know. Are there formulas to help determine that? Based on archtype or even Schremp's own personal improvement rate? I didn't catch any Wilkes-Barre games last season, but I think the consensus is he had improved muchly by the time he got injured.

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OK, here's my stance on all this.

Schremp was a 25th overall pick. EVERYONE in the hockey world knew going in that this was a bit of an odd bird...a 17 yr old kid who was 100% offense, 0% defense and a big mouth to match. 24 teams, including the Oilers, refused to use their 1st pick in the draft on him.

The Oilers decided to take a flier on him with their 2nd 1st rounder, now 3 years later we should be starting to get a real idea about what kind of NHL ability he really has.

If he spends the entire year in the AHL, my opinion is that the odds of him becoming an NHL star would be much diminished.

If I had to call my shot on him, I'd say that he will be in the NHL this season...but he won't be wearing an Oiler jersey.

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What about somebody like Brad Boyes?
Boyes is another one but I was trying to stick to centers who were smallish and considered a bit weak on the puck while they were younger.

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Anyway, with all due respect to Lowetide - and I'm not a "moneyball" guy so maybe there's something I missed - it seems to me to be a strong statistical argument that Rob Schremp wasn't NHL ready last season.

I guess it could be unrealistic, but I do expect him to improve. By how much and how fast, I really don't know. Are there formulas to help determine that? Based on archtype or even Schremp's own personal improvement rate? I didn't catch any Wilkes-Barre games last season, but I think the consensus is he had improved muchly by the time he got injured.
Desjardins' is basically an equivalency scale. It takes the point total of a player in a league in any ONE season and then gives what that point total in the SAME season would have been in the NHL. It's mainly useful for comparing different players across different leagues at the same ages by measuring all their point totals with the same NHL equivalency standard.

That said, since all speculation is based on past events, imo one can still use Desjardins to fashion a prediction of future NHL performance by comparing a player's NHLE's throughout his young career to the NHLE's of other "comps" of similar archetypes.

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Everyone develops at different rates due to level of competition, physical maturity, mental maturity, experience, coaching quality and influence, roles on their teams, level of competition on their team, physical attributes, work ethic, team or self first mentality, intangibles, etc. EVERY player is different. Yes many may follow a similar path, but that doesn't mean that a certain path is the end all, be all.

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If I had to call my shot on him, I'd say that he will be in the NHL this season...but he won't be wearing an Oiler jersey.
And if he flourishes and becomes the type of player that myself, s7ark, trugq, etc. say that he could be??? Then what??? Will the others say that he was the one to get away after crapping all over him??? Would he be this generations Satan??? Barrie Moore and Craig Millar type of a trade return???

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