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03-13-2004, 11:32 AM
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Could this make them a target for movement, conraction or just folding altogether?

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Ducks for Sale

Could this make them a target for movement, conraction or just folding altogether?
Movement ... unlikely because of Disney's close ties to the city of Anaheim, and they've promised they won't sell to someone who wants to move the team. They may have to cave in though.

Contraction or folding ... slightly less unlikely, but it's hard to imagine anyone getting rid of a team so relatively soon after paying those high expansion fees. Maybe the other owners who were more than happy to line their pockets 10 years ago will cough up a refund? Yeah right.

My guess is you won't see any possible sale until after the CBA is settled. I had heard from someone that a local businessman was trying to work with the Maloofs to buy the Ducks, but they want to see what happens with the CBA, and also if they can buy the Pond (which is not owned by Disney). Owning your own arena is almost essential these days to becoming a profitable team.

OTOH, the Maloofs could just move both the Ducks and the Sacto Kings to Vegas or something, which I have to admit would be kind of interesting.

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no offense to the die-hard anaheim fans...all 6 of them...but i think the ducks need to be moved. southern california just doesn't have the market for 2 hockey teams.

and they need to change that ridiculous name.

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OTOH, the Maloofs could just move both the Ducks and the Sacto Kings to Vegas or something, which I have to admit would be kind of interesting.
kings have waaay to much of a fan base in sac-town to be moved. maloofs would be insane to do that. and they'd be beat to death by cowbells wielding fanatics. the maloofs buying the ducks is an interesting idea though. i doubt that they have a real interest in hockey, but they sure do have the money to burn. look what theyve done for the kings. i used to live up near sacramento, and i don't think there's really much of a hockey fan base though. it's strictly a basketball town.

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You just need to change your ridicolous nick.

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As far as the Ducks being for sale, they have been for sale even before Arte Moreno bought the Angels. One of Disney's reasons in buying the Angels after creating the Ducks franchise was to launch their ESPN West sports network. Disney lost that battle to Fox. Ever since then, they have been trying to unload Anaheim Sports, Inc.

If the Maloofs buy the team, there is no way they are going to move them to Sacramento. First thing is that the Arco is not a hockey-friendly arena, from what I hear. Secondly, Sacramento may not be the most popular hockey market, and would draw intense scrutiny from the NHL.

Also, the Maloofs do not have an outlet to market their Palms Hotel and Casino here in Southern California. So it would make sense for them to keep the team here in Southern California.

As far as Southern California having two teams, I think the market is there. However, as with MANY other markets, there are many other things to do in So Cal than watch live sporting events. In order to draw, you have to win. I think the Maloofs understand that.

As a Kings fan, it would suck to have the Maloofs buy the Ducks. The Maloofs know that winning is the best form of marketing, and they also like to win. However, for hockey in Southern California, having the Maloofs buy the Ducks would be a great thing. It would force Anschutz to make more a commitment to "winning" rather than "being competetive".

of course, all of this is moot if the league finds itself in an extended work stoppage.


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kings have waaay to much of a fan base in sac-town to be moved. maloofs would be insane to do that. and they'd be beat to death by cowbells wielding fanatics. the maloofs buying the ducks is an interesting idea though. i doubt that they have a real interest in hockey, but they sure do have the money to burn. look what theyve done for the kings. i used to live up near sacramento, and i don't think there's really much of a hockey fan base though. it's strictly a basketball town.
Yeah, but there's also been some grumbling about the arena deal there, and the Maloofs have expressed some dissatisfaction with the current situation. Of course they have a great fan base, but as we've seen in sports, having a great fan base isn't really that huge a factor in whether or not a team moves (otherwise the Browns and Raiders would never have gone anywhere).

That could be another motivation in their interest in buying the Pond as well as the Ducks. In any case, we'll have to see how the CBA shakes down before even knowing if they'll be buyers ... if they don't see the new CBA as giving them leeway to be profitable, there's no reason they'll buy an NHL team.

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My reasoning for mentioning contraction was a long CBA layoff could make Disney desperate to get something for the team. If they talk about contraction one factor for canidates will be which teams will be the cheapest to buy out.

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My reasoning for mentioning contraction was a long CBA layoff could make Disney desperate to get something for the team. If they talk about contraction one factor for canidates will be which teams will be the cheapest to buy out.
The biggest factor for contraction will be which teams are in the smallest markets. It doesn't make sense to buy out teams that are struggling now, if their main reason for struggling is a bad team, as opposed to a team that's doing passably well financially but maxed out in revenue in a market with no potential. Teams that sell out but are still having financial problems ... those are the first to go in any business model.

I'm sorry to say, but if it does come down to contraction, the only reason to do it will be from a strict business perspective, in which case the first candidates will be the small market Canadian teams. May not be pleasant to think about, but that's the only way to run a successful business. Then again, the NHL has never shown much in the way of business sense, so they probably would contract based on something else, which would in the long run only hurt the league more.

Besides, I'm not so sure a CBA standoff would make Disney any more eager to dump the team ... a long CBA layoff FAVORS the financially struggling teams. Think about it, season ticket deposits are usually due in mid-summer. The teams hang onto those deposits, and if there's no season they just apply them to the next year, or they give them back months later. In the meantime, that's millions of dollars sitting in the bank, where they get interest while no games are being played. No expenses, no salaries to pay, just pure profit. If anything, a struggling team WANTS a long layoff, as they stand to actually make money for the first time in a long time.

Let's say, conservatively, a team has a 7000 base of season ticket holders (which would be very low), and these days an average ticket costs around 50 bucks. Times 50 games (since they usually make you buy preseason too), that's 17.5 million. Just sitting there collecting interest. A team stands to make a couple million off that alone.

That's just one more reason to expect a long standoff. The teams don't have to cave in, and the players need hockey a heck of a lot more than the teams do.

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Sacramento would be a nice target.
Las Vegas as well.

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Should the Maloofs buy the Ducks, and I hope they do, they'll keep them in Anaheim. Proof of that is because they're trying to buy the Pond as well. Disney also wants to sell them to people who will keep the team in Anaheim, so the Maloofs would make a good fit. They were interviewed a while back, and said they had no intentions of moving the Ducks to Sacremento if they bought them, and had no intentions of moving the Kings to Anaheim if they bought the Ducks.

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