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10-02-2007, 02:25 PM
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WILD UNSUBSTANTIATED RUMOR: Mara and Pock traded to Phoenix?
Agreed as part of the Jovo rumors. I can see this happening (not because of Eklund) but because of these pairings today. The other day they had Mara and Staal, now its Strudwick and Staal.
The salary works out pretty close too:
Montoya - 1.8
Pock - .68
Mara - 3
Total: 5.48

JovoCop - 6
Could be a done deal. Good or bad?
Eklund link: see the bottom

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10-02-2007, 02:27 PM
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BAD DEAL! Montoya alone is worth more than Jovo.

Btw, nothing at Spector's Trade Rumours, either.

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Agreed as part of the Jovo rumors. I can see this happening (not because of Eklund) but because of these pairings today. The other day they had Mara and Staal, now its Strudwick and Staal.
The salary works out pretty close too:
Montoya - 1.8
Pock - .68
Mara - 3
Total: 5.48

JovoCop - 6

Eklund link: see the bottom
Done deal. Good or bad?
So let me get this straight, we're trading Montoya/Pock/Mara for just Jovo????

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10-02-2007, 02:33 PM
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someone claims to have seen it on The Score ticker, but it hasn't been seen anywhere else and there is no link. Most likely BS.
who is this someone?

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10-02-2007, 02:36 PM
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Agreed as part of the Jovo rumors. I can see this happening (not because of Eklund) but because of these pairings today. The other day they had Mara and Staal, now its Strudwick and Staal.
The salary works out pretty close too:
Montoya - 1.8
Pock - .68
Mara - 3
Total: 5.48

JovoCop - 6
Could be a done deal. Good or bad?
Eklund link: see the bottom
that doesn't work cap wise...montoya doesn't currently count against the Rangers cap...

it would be stupid to add jovo now...

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10-02-2007, 02:38 PM
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danroy...

it's actually $3.68M going and $6M coming, since Montoya's salary is not hitting the Rangers' cap. That does happen to be about what the Rangers could sqeeze in under the cap.

I do not think, however, that Sather's about to blow $6MM on a defenseman. A forward, maybe, but a defenseman? I just am not seeing it.

What happens with Montoya will be interesting. They can only keep he and Lundqvist in the same organization for so long and right now Lundqvist is not going anywhere.

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10-02-2007, 02:38 PM
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who is this someone?
Some idiot wrote that in the comments section on Weinman's blog

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it's actually $3.68M going and $6M coming, since Montoya's salary is not hitting the Rangers' cap. That does happen to be about what the Rangers could sqeeze in under the cap.

I do not think, however, that Sather's about to blow $6MM on a defenseman. A forward, maybe, but a defenseman? I just am not seeing it.

What happens with Montoya will be interesting. They can only keep he and Lundqvist in the same organization for so long and right now Lundqvist is not going anywhere.
Not to mention that the player's cap number is $6.5 million

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10-02-2007, 02:44 PM
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I wouldn't mind seeing someone like Keith Ballard coming our way... I would absolutely love Michalek (I believe he's Czech too)... Both of these guys can manage the PP...

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I like how Eklund's rumor is along the lines of "Montoya and two young roster players and somehow the cap hit equals out".

Uhh, the only young player the Rangers have who's cap hit would make Jovo feasible is Lundqvist, and no way in hell he's getting traded.

Basically, no. There's no way the Rangers have the cap room without dumping a lot of Salary on Phoenix, and there's really no reason at all to do so.

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I wouldn't mind seeing someone like Keith Ballard coming our way... I would absolutely love Michalek (I believe he's Czech too)...
ballard id take him but i doubt he gets dealt, id consider boynton, morris or jones. no way to jovo, i dont care if it was for malik and kasper.

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10-02-2007, 02:48 PM
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The reason he doesn't count against the cap is because he is not with us, however, when he plays for an NHL club that is his hit. Those numbers may be slightly askew I was using nhlnumbers.com. However, with the departure of Mara and Pock, they could still fit Jovo under the cap no?

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10-02-2007, 02:51 PM
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The reason he doesn't count against the cap is because he is not with us, however, when he plays for an NHL club that is his hit. Those numbers may be slightly askew I was using nhlnumbers.com. However, with the departure of Mara and Pock, they could still fit Jovo under the cap no?
No, they couldn't. I think the Rangers are still something like $1 mill over the cap right now, but that $1 mill is allowed because it's bonus money to Shanny.

It'd basically take the Rangers trading something like Malik, Mara, and Straka to free up enough cap room. And then you have to ask yourself, does that really make the Rangers a stronger team? Not to mention that there's no reason for Phoenix to want that group of players...they'd want young players. So in theory, the Rangers would then have to throw in MORE, just to get Jovo.

It's ridiculous.

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I like how Eklund's rumor is along the lines of "Montoya and two young roster players and somehow the cap hit equals out".

Uhh, the only young player the Rangers have who's cap hit would make Jovo feasible is Lundqvist, and no way in hell he's getting traded.

Basically, no. There's no way the Rangers have the cap room without dumping a lot of Salary on Phoenix, and there's really no reason at all to do so.
Three young players who make no money for a 31 year old defenseman with 4 years remaining on his contract($6.5 million annual cap hit)and who has not completed a full season since before the lockout

Sometimes you can't make it up

America is a great country.Eklund is allowed to charge people for his BS and amazingly there are people who are willing to buy it

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Hey Levitate, what do you think if the Rangers had a chance to acquire one of the 2 defensemen I mentioned before (Michalek or Ballard)?

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I didn't see this mentioned but maybe they still aren't sure if they want Staal in the NHL or AHL yet. Still have a couple days to make a final decision on that.

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The reason he doesn't count against the cap is because he is not with us, however, when he plays for an NHL club that is his hit. Those numbers may be slightly askew I was using nhlnumbers.com. However, with the departure of Mara and Pock, they could still fit Jovo under the cap no?
There is sticky on the cap situation.If you look at it,you would find your answer

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10-02-2007, 02:58 PM
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Mara and Montoya for Ballard and one of Phoenix's backup goalies?

I'd think about that one pretty hard...don't think Phoenix would do it though

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Mara and Montoya for Ballard and one of Phoenix's backup goalies?

I'd think about that one pretty hard...don't think Phoenix would do it though
You don't think that would be slightly overpaying???

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I have a gut feeling that if the Rangers do trade w/ The Coyotes, one of our young forwards are going to be traded (Dawes?)

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Well, Ballard is one of those guys that 'Yotes fans are always really high on and don't want traded. They think he's a real stud on the blueline, so it's not like he'd come cheap. That'd basically be what Montoya is traded for, with Mara and the backup goalie thrown in for cap reasons and to procure a more reliable backup.

Though really, I'm not sold on the Rangers acquiring a guy like Ballard to begin with. He's good, but somehow it just doesn't seem to quite fit with the team and its needs.

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Hypothetically if Mara was playing poorly after 20 games do you think the Rangers would seriously consider moving him to make room for Pock in the every day lineup?

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when is it time to give up on pock?

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The time to give up on Pock...

is when you think Staal's here to stay, combined with the right offer.

Given the right package, the Rangers can 'afford' Jovo. In reality though, afford means borrowing from next season's cap and thus being short-handed going into next season's UFA market (meaning paying a few million $$$ while not having anything to show for it next season). I hate borrowing from next season.

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is when you think Staal's here to stay, combined with the right offer.

Given the right package, the Rangers can 'afford' Jovo. In reality though, afford means borrowing from next season's cap and thus being short-handed going into next season's UFA market (meaning paying a few million $$$ while not having anything to show for it next season). I hate borrowing from next season.
I think it would be just ignorant in general to get Jovo for ANYTHING... I'd rather have McCabe...

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