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10-02-2007, 03:33 PM
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I don't love Hollweg, but he seems to be a decent fit for the role he's going to play. Assuming he can stay out of the box.
That's the rub. He's got a reputation with the refs and he's going to get called for a TON of boarderline stuff. Don't we have enough of that with Avery already?

Hollweg is going to get one of Gomez, Drury or Jagr hurt. He will either be in the box, waking up the other team or generating retaliation on our stars. This completely outweighs his positives.

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10-02-2007, 03:51 PM
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That's the rub. He's got a reputation with the refs and he's going to get called for a TON of boarderline stuff. Don't we have enough of that with Avery already?

Hollweg is going to get one of Gomez, Drury or Jagr hurt. He will either be in the box, waking up the other team or generating retaliation on our stars. This completely outweighs his positives.
Nobody draws more penalties then Sean Avery....

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10-02-2007, 04:23 PM
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That's the rub. He's got a reputation with the refs and he's going to get called for a TON of boarderline stuff. Don't we have enough of that with Avery already?

Hollweg is going to get one of Gomez, Drury or Jagr hurt. He will either be in the box, waking up the other team or generating retaliation on our stars. This completely outweighs his positives.
Why? None of this happened the last two years... There was one three game period where Hollweg seemed targetted by the refs but, after that, it was pretty fair.,,And for somebody that hits as much as he does (which is 2X to 3X more then all Ranger forwards not), he didn't get called all that much for this supposed BORDER line stuff....

And how is Hollweg going to get one of Gomez, Drury or Jagr hurt? WHile Hollweg hits everybody, he doesn't target stars. ...Not once in two years have opposing players run the Rangers (other then Holly himself) for hits that he made.,,OTOH, after Orr dismantled Fedoruk last year, there was Ben Eager trying to take the head off of every Ranger on the ice...

And take the 3rd period of the Philly game the other night, the FLyers were running our young D-man at will and only Holly responded in force A player like Orr can't respond during fast games becasue he is too damn slow...

As long as Holly limits his brainfarts ( there were a few last year), his speed, forechecking and hitting will help this team...If he plays it stupid, Renney will waste no time in severly limiting his opportunities like he did last year after his screw up in the Bruin game...So, wither way, it will work out fine..

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10-02-2007, 07:59 PM
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Meh. I don't like him and would rather have him out of the lineup.

We'll just have to disagree on this one.

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10-02-2007, 11:18 PM
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Meh. I don't like him and would rather have him out of the lineup.

We'll just have to disagree on this one.
That's cool, same way I feel about Orr and Hossa..But we all have preferences

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10-03-2007, 08:42 PM
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This is a silly question. Our best 4th line is Hollweg-Betts-Orr. They played very well last year and they give us a very good physical presence. Besides, there is no reason to put a Hossa on a 4th line or a Dawes, or anyone else...not even Straka (jk) on the 4th line

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10-03-2007, 09:24 PM
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Hossa can still contribute on the 4th line unlike others.
I do not really see how. The sole place that Hossa has ever shown any possibility of succees is with Jagr (and even that was for a small stretch of time). In a limited (6 minutes or so) 4thline role, Hollweg brings much more to the team than Hossa (whom, IMO brings absolutely nothing in such a role). Hollweg's energy, physicality and general aggravation of the opposing team is needed much more so than Hossa's...I do not know exactly what. Hollweg was top-10 in the entire league in hits last year, despite having such a low ice time. Opposing players know when he is on the ice. He can be used as an "eye for an eye" deterent.

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10-03-2007, 09:31 PM
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Hollweg is going to get one of Gomez, Drury or Jagr hurt.
What kind of logic is that? That is saying "we will not hit you, so please, pretty please do not run our players". That is not what has happened in the past. Whether or not Hollweg is in the lineup, Jagr was run repeatedly and not always quite so clean. Think that the Pens will not play Jarkko Ruttu becuase they fear that Crosby or Malkin or Staal will be run? Or maybe Philly will not play Eager becuase Briere or Gagne may be run?

The strategy cannot be not to start players who infuriate opposing teams. In fact, it should be the contrary.
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He will either be in the box, waking up the other team or generating retaliation on our stars. This completely outweighs his positives.
I would take Hollweg's type of penalties as opposed to the other 8 or so obstruction minors that were seen on a seemingly every-game basis last year.

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10-03-2007, 09:34 PM
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Agree that Hollweg is better suited to the fourth line than Hossa. As for Orr, I think it depends on the game/opponent. Just saying Hossa can still contribute on the 4th line unlike others.
Hossa needs to be on the ice, and the only place that makes sense for him is the 4th line. We need him to kill penalties, or else Shanny is going to be playing far more minutes than anyone wants to see, and Drury is going to see a ton of PK time. Things like this will be what come back to bite the team this year...

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10-03-2007, 09:58 PM
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Hossa needs to be on the ice, and the only place that makes sense for him is the 4th line. We need him to kill penalties, or else Shanny is going to be playing far more minutes than anyone wants to see, and Drury is going to see a ton of PK time. Things like this will be what come back to bite the team this year...
Right now, after a poor camp, there is no need for Hossa on the ice...Doesn't really mesh with the 4th line that well and is behind trhe other 9 forwards...As for the PK, guys like Betts, Straka, Drury, Cally can be used on the PK, even Holly (much faster then Hossa)as he was used in pre-season, we do not need Hossa..

That being said, I think Hossa gets the opening nght nod....Gotta keep his fragile confidence up

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10-03-2007, 10:04 PM
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Hossa needs to be on the ice, and the only place that makes sense for him is the 4th line. We need him to kill penalties, or else Shanny is going to be playing far more minutes than anyone wants to see, and Drury is going to see a ton of PK time. Things like this will be what come back to bite the team this year...
Avery-Betts, Straka-Drury...Dubinsky and Callahan are also there for insurance...

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